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Then does the amount of memory make a difference?
If I put 128GB versus 256GB in a dual E5-2699v3 would that 256GB with double the amount of workers also calculate a lot faster since both options are
using all the cores?
Or would anything above x GB (say 128GB) not a make a big difference?
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@siem
very good question
a few issues
Mangager may use a lot of ram. the amount of cores for many manager functions can be increased from 4 to whatever the cpu has.
ram blows out a lot of this is done, and gsb is faster.
I often keep managers open for weeks, and this uses ram
In many cases, if a machine is used for workers only, 128 gb will be no different to 256.
but if you use more data streams, more indicators, ie random noise data, ram increases
If you get a 128 gb machine, make sure it can be upgraded to 256 GB later on.
(I like 32 GB ram modules)
GSB also has cache settings you can increase to get a bit more speed (at cost of ram)
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@admin
Thanks for the help, I just ordered the dual E5-2699v3 / 256GB machine.
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Our long term goal is to have multiple gsbworker.exe running on your local and remote machine(s).
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Hello admin,
I reviewing the forum to understand the computer requirement of 1 GSB license on one computer for better understanding before purchase.
Can you please explain the above statement you made please?
Thanks,
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@goodboy
your own machine can run numerous workers depending on ram / cpu limitations.
This has been the case for 3 years. Perhaps your quote comes from very old documentation. Happy to change it, but not sure where you got that from.
Workers can also run on your addition other machines, if you have them + additional GSB license per machine (Price is discounted)
Workers also run on the free GSB cloud and you can also hire GSB servers for $10 a day.
A high end machine will run 8 to 20 or so workers according to cpu and ram
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Hi Peter,
I'm using AMD Ryzen 9 (5950X-16Core) machine with 32+32GB RAM. The max number of Workers ran by Resource Manager doesn't do above 6 (CPU & RAM maxed
out).
So I was wondering about used server to dedicate for GSB work exclusively. Need your advice on this (I never used sercers before). Here what's
available for me on second-hand market:
1) 56 CORE DELL POWER EDGE T430 TOWER SERVER 16 BAY 2.5” 2 U SERVER
Dual INTEL XEON E5-2650LV4 1.70 GHZ TURBO 2.50 GHZ PROCESSORS
56 CORE LOGICAL, 70 MB INTEL SMART CACHE
64 GB DDR4 REG ECC RAM
~1650USD
2) 40 CORE DELL POWER EDGE T430 TOWER SERVER 16 BAY 2.5”
DUAL INTEL XEON E5-2650V3 2.30 GHZ MAX TURBO FREQUENCY 3.00 GHZ PROCESSOR
40 CORES LOGICAL, 50 MB INTEL SMART CACHE
32 GB DDR4 REG ECC RAM
~1100USD
3) SUPERMICRO CSE-721TQ-250B Black Mini-Tower Server Case 250W Flex ATX Multi-output Bronze Power Supply
Motherboard / CPU - SUPERMICRO MBD-X10SDV-TLN4F-O Mini ITX Server
Intel Xeon processor D-1541 - Single socket FCBGA 1667; 8-Core, 16 Threads, 45W
96 GB - (3x) Samsung M393A4K40BB1-CRC 32GB DDR4-2400 LP ECC Reg Server Memory
~2300USD
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'@zabiromr,
the dual cpu 2680v2 / 2690v2 are best bank for buck by a long way, but getting older. I prefer the 2699v3 or 2696v3 dual cpu
ultimatly cpubenchmark.net will tell you the cpu rating whats best bang for buck.
Note however you might have a machine full of 4gb modules, and you cant add more ram unless you throw out all your current memory
Ive also bought and shipped internationally servers to australia. Depends what country your in, but your range looks limited.
Im not uptodate on pricing. What country are you in?
if you have a fast cpu, and those listed are better than your amd, but not fast - you want 128 gb of ram with the option of 256 gb
ram useage depends on what you do with gsb
On rare occasions you get people use 5 10 15 30 60 min bars all at the same time. Systems are total crap and ram use spectacular. 30 to 40 gb per
worker.
30 min bars typically use 12 gb or so per worker, and you can run say 12 workers on dual 2680v2 or 18?? 2699v3
you can also got to a i9 cpu but must have 3 fan water cooler
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Thanks Peter,
I'm ordering 2x32GB DDR4 modules for now, to have total 128GB (max for my MB). Let's see how this will help. I'm in UAE now, prices are quite steep
here. Not willing to pay extrat for exponentially outdating hardware...
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@zabiromr, not sure if your motherboard supports a faster amd, but regardless amd is not a good option. using the same case, ram etc with an i9& new
motherboard might be another option later down the track
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Unfortunately my MB does not support higher-end CPUs.
I found an interesting option: Refurbished Dell Precision Tower 7910
- Dual E5-2696v4 (2x22 cores - 88 threads total);
- 128Gb Ram (2x32Bb) - pleanty if room for expantion with 16 slots in total;
Seriously considering it :-)
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The dell is a very good option. You motherboard can be replaced and you can still use the bits of the old machine. Depends on the $ if its worth it.
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I finally got Dell option.
Now I need an advice on the setup with GSB. What are my options (preferably not purchasing additional license at this point)?
GSB is currently innstalled on AMD machine. Should I completely move it to new one (and revoke activation from AMD), or there is a way to share both
PCs resources? (both on same network).
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| Quote: Originally posted by zabiromr | I finally got Dell option.
Now I need an advice on the setup with GSB. What are my options (preferably not purchasing additional license at this point)?
GSB is currently innstalled on AMD machine. Should I completely move it to new one (and revoke activation from AMD), or there is a way to share both
PCs resources? (both on same network). |
best email me. You need $400 license to run the second machine, or I can revoke the license so it can be re-used
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I currently have a rented server with Oplink which runs an E5-2683v4 with 128GB of RAM, I have requested the upgrade to 256GB of RAM as this is the
machine I run my managers on.
I am running my second license on my desktop PC running an i7 9700K with 64GB of RAM, the desktop generally doesn't seem to spawn many workers and
have been researching an inexpensive replacement to just run GSB workers on.
It appears from this thread that I would not have much benefit running 256GB of RAM vs 128GB if it's just running workers.
I have been looking at options to build one myself and AliExpress has some great options on Dual Xeons, I won't post the links in case that's not
allowed but you only need to search for the processor names on there, RE Store seem to be very well regarded.
I'm looking at picking up a couple of E5-2680v4's which come in at about $80 each, 4 x 32GB of ECC 2400Mhz RAM for $70 each (can always add another 4
if 256GB is a real must) and an X99 dual EATX motherboard for $114.
Since AliExpress ship globally I thought I'd share this with everyone in case they are looking for a more cost effective way to complete a build.
I will probably go with a 650w power supply, which I'll take from an old gaming PC as well as the case and fans.
The other options are:
E5-2697v3 - $130
E5-2699v3 $130
E5-2697v3 - $80
E5-2699v4 - $200
Looking at these options, it is completely feasible to build a half decent server for running GSB for under $1000
The other problem to overcome is the Windows license for multi CPU devices, Windows 10 Pro does not support more than 1 CPU and Windows Server
territory starts to get very expensive when licensing per core. IT appears that Microsoft have a different offering (which I never realised but maybe
everyone else already did!) Windows 10 Pro for Workstations, I'm guessing the pre-built workstations people are buying would already have a copy.
I have found a retailer that sells OEM keys for $50 USD, which isn't too bad.
Apologies if this is all information shared before but I hope it will help people.
Ty
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Thanks to a new GSB user, fascinating try out the new intel i9-12900k
On GSB, the optimal amount of workers was two! Normally its about 12, and on high end AMD, many times more than this.
This has big implications to needing much less ram for GSB
Speed was comparable with dual plat 8160, faster than dual e5-2699v3
Suspect similar speed to dual 2699v4
FOr TS optimization it was twice the speed of dual 2699v3. The reason is ts cant use more than 32 cores, and the dual 2699v3 has 72 cores
This is the same speed as the expensive amd 3970x for ts. Again same issue. This amd has a lot of cores which ts will not use.
Im keen to try a intel i9-12900kF and i9 13900 if anyone has one
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Coming in a few days
Speed comparison of
Dual e5-2690v2 vs
Dual e5-2696v3 vs
amd ryzen 9 5960x vs
i9-12900k i9 13900K
There are some very significant changes with the newer CPU's
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In summary, my i9-13900k is y far the best CPU for GSB and TS
Its actually running slower than it should due to thermal throttling, and its on old slow ddr4 2400 ram
Needs only 5 workers to max out cpu, which means much less ram than others that need 8 to 30 workers to run at max speed
Speed to optimize in ts is spectacular
Another issue
Windows 11 has a significant bug that wrong cpu usage figures are report back to all apps. This will cause mild hassels in GSB resource manager.
it reports 1% CPU per gsb worker, when the cpu is maxed out.
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GSB minimum hardware requirements
Hi to all,
I was considering a software to build a few systems and after I saw the video comparing AdaptradeBuilder vs GSB here I am. Would like to give it a
trial try soon and hopefully buy a single GSB license to start. I have tried some auto-systems before BUT all were ready/custom-made for me for both
TradeStation and MultiCharts. I would like to run any "newly-built" system MAINLY on MultiCharts (and execute on Interactive Brokers) and perhaps also
on TradeStation. NT8is my 3rd and last option. But, since I do not want to go ahead now and invest heavily on new hardware my question is the simplest
one: what is the minimum CPU/RAM requirements to run GSB assuming that I will be dedicating the PC (100%-over a weekend mostly)? Also, no rush if GSB
takes some extra time to do the job. I know speed and RAM is a huge must for this but I would like to take things slowly first until I get a bit
familiar with GSB.
Best regards and many thanks in advance,
Spyros
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Min ram is 16 GB, but more is better.
Im in the process of updating this later today
https://trademaid.info/gsbhelp/GSBhardwarerecommendations.ht...
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This is now updated
https://trademaid.info/gsbhelp/GSBhardwarerecommendations.ht...
also pictures on my new I9-13900K
https://trademaid.info/gsbhelp/Intel-I9-13900.html
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Hello Peter,
Thanks for the updated doc on Hardware. A few questions:
1.) Is it correct that new generations AMD are still not favored for GSB?
2.) Is there a reason we should minimize the amount of workers? Why is it a good thing we only should run 2 workers vs 15 e.g.?
3.) This list on the page on hardware. Is this the list you would recommend in order of appearance?
CPU,CPUbenchmarkspeed, cores,threads, watts in total.
i9-12900KS 44717 16 24 241W?? (must have 3 fan water cooler)
E5-2696v4 42836 40 80 290W (dual CPU)
I7 12700k 34449 12 20 190w socket: FCBGA1964
I5-12600KF 26934 10 16 125w This is a new and interesting option. It will be low power, likely run fewer GSB but faster than an 2696v2 with much less
power consumption
E5-2696v2 dual 23525 24 48 300W???
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Good questions.
1) Correct GSB runs very slow on amd and needs lots more workers = lots more ram
Not tested extensively, but I think TS runs much faster too on Intel - only important for those of us who do a lot of optimizations in TS
2) there is a peak performance of how many workers is best. After that not increase or even decrease of speed and more need for ram.
The new intel i9-13900k needs only 5 workers and is the fastest machine.
You first need to ask, do you want bang for buck = older hardware thats very noisy and less power effective
or do you want performance and less fussed on speed
Ive updated the docs and now have info on the i9-13900 which is clearly the best CPU
https://trademaid.info/gsbhelp/GSBhardwarerecommendations.ht...
https://trademaid.info/gsbhelp/Intel-I9-13900.html
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Significant updates to the Intel I9-13900 are coming
a little is explained at the end here
https://trademaid.info/gsbhelp/Intel-I9-13900.html
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I have the Intel core i9 13900k and tried to run with 5 or 6 workers (beta version) but noticing that only 70% of the CPU is used.
I am using windows 11 and pin the GSB Manager to the front already. Should I expect 100% of CPU used ? what else have I not done right here ?
I attached the screenshot of CPU usage here. In utilization, I see all the E-cores are used but none of the P-cores are used. So something does not
seem right.
Thanks
NVM, I noticed that I also need to bring all GSB workers to front (not just GSB Manager)..
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@Chituan
windows 11 cpu measurement is busted, so its ideal to be on 10. - Now I know thats not likely that users will roll back.
I think it works in task manager, but most other apps I have seen its wrong
Run more workers
If you had 128gb of ram, the peak performance is 14 workers.
Sadly my i9 used memory from my older amd cpu, and im limited to 4 16 gb ram modules, so cant upgrade to 128 gb easily
this machine peaks performance at 6 workers, but its running slow ram and significantly slower that the 128 gb of ram
Next week I can get you a trial of gsb benchmark which tests these things.
yes, workers must go to the front. Do you have that option in gsb resource manager?
Whats your cooling. Good chance you are thermal thortling.
The i9 is hard too cool, but we have now figured out solutions.
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