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admin - 6-12-2019 at 02:29 AM

Hello Peter,

Did You buy the new ryzen as You have hinted at the other forum? I am considering for myself although I am worried for the applications I am using.

Regarding the issue You have had with Threadripper here an article that could explain what could have happened:

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/302650-how-to-bypass-m...

amd epyc 7601 32 core cpu speed was 50% that of dual e5-2680v2

coccigelus - 6-12-2019 at 06:12 AM

Not sure which generation is but It looks at least the previous one. Newer ryzen models 3950x 3900x etc and new threadripper have a sensible higher clock. (very close to the 9900k) I don't know if that make any difference with your app.

However, from the article I posted, the issue discovered that affect new gen. ryzen with Matlab is a concern. In the article They show how to avoid the issue with a batch file, but anyway this could be the case with any other app that is optimized with intel processors. I wonder if that is the case as well with your app. Currently this is the major issue I have with AMD as I am expecting to get the max computing power from the app I am using.

curt999 - 6-12-2019 at 02:10 PM

Has anyone done before after testing on amd CPU using the mkl enabler? I have some amd servers here I will test but gsb does not use the mkl library since it's written in c# I believe..I've done testing with opteron epyc and the performance is horrible

coccigelus - 7-12-2019 at 12:34 AM

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/hpc/How-To-Use-MKL-with-AM...

curt999 - 7-12-2019 at 09:12 AM

I've tested opteron and epyc I saw no performance gain if anything it was slower. Like I said gsb doesn't use the mkl library like matlab

Daniel UK1 - 25-3-2020 at 07:51 AM

About GSB and servers... I am thinking of adding some CPU resources to my GSB research... as i understand best bang for the bucks is dual xenon e 2680 v2 .. have people here experience running rack servers from their home? very noisy? other issues that make one want to use external server halls instead? issue is though that cost for co location is around 60-70... and one can rent a dedicated dual 2680 v2 for around 120... so perhaps no point of owning it... lots of thoughts...

Thanks for input

admin - 25-3-2020 at 10:22 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Daniel UK1

About GSB and servers... I am thinking of adding some CPU resources to my GSB research... as i understand best bang for the bucks is dual xenon e 2680 v2 .. have people here experience running rack servers from their home? very noisy? other issues that make one want to use external server halls instead? issue is though that cost for co location is around 60-70... and one can rent a dedicated dual 2680 v2 for around 120... so perhaps no point of owning it... lots of thoughts...

Thanks for input

a 1u is extremly noisy.
Tower much quieter and about 30 watts less power due to less need for fans. i have a 1u that I took the top off, mounted some 90 mm fans over the cpu with a plywood replacement top for the metal top that was on the 1u. the 6?? super micro fans are about 40mm, 10 watts each and sound like an airplane engine.

Daniel UK1 - 25-3-2020 at 12:07 PM

When you put it like that Peter, a rack setup does not sounds that tempting

kidgloves81 - 16-5-2020 at 05:01 AM

Any u0dates on performance with latest generation Ryzens or Threadrippers?

admin - 16-5-2020 at 05:11 AM

Quote: Originally posted by kidgloves81

Any u0dates on performance with latest generation Ryzens or Threadrippers?

dual cpu https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+EPYC+7601&id=31...
benchmarked at 3.43 minutes per gsb running (20 gsb running, 256 gb ram)
(low score is best)

I9 9980xe 128 gb , 10 gsb running runs at 1.87

i9 can have max of 128 gb.
xeons can have much more ram
I have no more recent amd
dual 2690v3 (not v2) with 256 gb of ram below

Im keen to benchmark another newer amd, but feel they are still very slow.
If anyone can source one to test, let me know

I also should have a dual xeon 2699v3 in a weeks time too.
(I have bought 3 more servers in the last few weeks)

edgetrader - 16-5-2020 at 04:21 PM

Ryzen 9 3950X with only 16 cores now scores 39359.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+9+3950X&i...

Per core that's 4.7 times faster than Dual EPYC 7601 at least in PassMark benchmark. Max RAM of 3950X is 128 GB.

coccigelus - 17-5-2020 at 01:02 PM

Peter,

Ryzen 9 3950X is indeed a very good CPU but You may want also wait the new generation 4000 that will arrive before end of year with another great improvement especially in the latency of controller and higher freq. per core.

If You want to try an amd machine You may want to check hetzner.com. They have dedi AMD cpu over there.

admin - 17-5-2020 at 04:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by coccigelus

Peter,

Ryzen 9 3950X is indeed a very good CPU but You may want also wait the new generation 4000 that will arrive before end of year with another great improvement especially in the latency of controller and higher freq. per core.

If You want to try an amd machine You may want to check hetzner.com. They have dedi AMD cpu over there.

hetzners fastest machine is the amd 3900

What I suspect with AMD is we will need lots more copies of GSB running to max the cpu out. I will advise as soon as I get my hands on one to test.
thanks for the tips on the new amd. I was keen to go amd as was a bit annoyed with Intel. Basic things like really poor thermal contact between the cpu and its lid. Make i9 hard to cool, esp of over clocked

admin - 17-5-2020 at 04:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by edgetrader

Ryzen 9 3950X with only 16 cores now scores 39359.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+9+3950X&i...

Per core that's 4.7 times faster than Dual EPYC 7601 at least in PassMark benchmark. Max RAM of 3950X is 128 GB.

I think the dual 7601 is 33545 total compared to 39359
so I dont expect a big increase.
Im happy to be proved wrong if I can get to test a machine.

bizgozcd - 22-6-2020 at 02:37 PM

I recently bought a used Dell Precision T7610 Workstation from Stalliontek.com with 2 x Xeon ES-2680's (8 cores each) and 128GB of Ram for about US$1300. Found this vendor on Google. They literally have 1000's of used options and will configure to your specs. Arrived in 3 days. (I'm sure you could save $ buying on Ebay, but the convenience factor was great.)

It was running very hot while using GSB.

Found this fix on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z68__gW-DGY

Now running loud but much cooler, allowing me to run more workers.

admin - 22-6-2020 at 05:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bizgozcd

I recently bought a used Dell Precision T7610 Workstation from Stalliontek.com with 2 x Xeon ES-2680's (8 cores each) and 128GB of Ram for about US$1300. Found this vendor on Google. They literally have 1000's of used options and will configure to your specs. Arrived in 3 days. (I'm sure you could save $ buying on Ebay, but the convenience factor was great.)

It was running very hot while using GSB.

Found this fix on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z68__gW-DGY

Now running loud but much cooler, allowing me to run more workers.

Great to hear. Better heatinks & fans can reduce temps a lot. Especially on 1u machines if you take the lid off the 1u with better cooling, but make sure there is air flow on the smaller heatsinks in the machine

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admin - 4-7-2020 at 04:10 AM

Quote: Originally posted by zordan

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Bfan - 6-1-2021 at 03:52 PM

New to this server concept. I am in the process of buying/installing a server to expand my limited cpu/ram capacity. Do I need additional GSB license to run it on the additional hardware or I can dedicate jobs from my computer to the additional server/computer?
Thanks

admin - 6-1-2021 at 03:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bfan

New to this server concept. I am in the process of buying/installing a server to expand my limited cpu/ram capacity. Do I need additional GSB license to run it on the additional hardware or I can dedicate jobs from my computer to the additional server/computer?
Thanks

you need addition license $400 or revoke your first machine

Bfan - 6-1-2021 at 03:58 PM

So, if I have 4 rack servers, it would require 4 licenses? Thanks

admin - 6-1-2021 at 04:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bfan

So, if I have 4 rack servers, it would require 4 licenses? Thanks

correct

Siem - 23-3-2021 at 08:14 AM

I'm in the market for a new PC (only for GSB and TradeStation).
The new AMD chips seem to be very fast and some models have a lot of cores.

Can each worker on GSB use multiple cores? Or would, for instance in case my system had 128GB of RAM, 16 or 40 cores be overkill for that amount for RAM?

Is anyone using or has anyone tried out the newer AMD processors in combination with GSB?

Any other thoughts?

admin - 23-3-2021 at 04:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Siem

I'm in the market for a new PC (only for GSB and TradeStation).
The new AMD chips seem to be very fast and some models have a lot of cores.

Can each worker on GSB use multiple cores? Or would, for instance in case my system had 128GB of RAM, 16 or 40 cores be overkill for that amount for RAM?

Is anyone using or has anyone tried out the newer AMD processors in combination with GSB?

Any other thoughts?

GSB uses all cores. AMD is extremely slow for GSB and I strongly recommend not to buy one.
basically go to these charts and choose what you consider best bang for buck
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/multi_cpu.html

I'm replacing my intel dual 2680/90 v2 with dual 2699v3
there are similar cpu's, a little cheaper like 2697v3
I buy used supermciro servers.
the alternative is a I( cpu with 3 fan water cooler
I did benchmark a high end amd and about a year ago.
it ran the same speed as dual 2699v3, but cost about twice the price

Siem - 24-3-2021 at 03:02 AM

Quote: Originally posted by admin

GSB uses all cores.

Then does the amount of memory make a difference?

If I put 128GB versus 256GB in a dual E5-2699v3 would that 256GB with double the amount of workers also calculate a lot faster since both options are using all the cores?

Or would anything above x GB (say 128GB) not a make a big difference?

admin - 24-3-2021 at 03:33 AM

@siem
very good question
a few issues
Mangager may use a lot of ram. the amount of cores for many manager functions can be increased from 4 to whatever the cpu has.
ram blows out a lot of this is done, and gsb is faster.
I often keep managers open for weeks, and this uses ram
In many cases, if a machine is used for workers only, 128 gb will be no different to 256.
but if you use more data streams, more indicators, ie random noise data, ram increases
If you get a 128 gb machine, make sure it can be upgraded to 256 GB later on.
(I like 32 GB ram modules)
GSB also has cache settings you can increase to get a bit more speed (at cost of ram)

Siem - 24-3-2021 at 09:23 AM

@admin

Thanks for the help, I just ordered the dual E5-2699v3 / 256GB machine.

goodoboy - 1-8-2021 at 07:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by admin

Our long term goal is to have multiple gsbworker.exe running on your local and remote machine(s).

Hello admin,

I reviewing the forum to understand the computer requirement of 1 GSB license on one computer for better understanding before purchase.

Can you please explain the above statement you made please?

Thanks,

admin - 1-8-2021 at 05:54 PM

@goodboy
your own machine can run numerous workers depending on ram / cpu limitations.
This has been the case for 3 years. Perhaps your quote comes from very old documentation. Happy to change it, but not sure where you got that from.

Workers can also run on your addition other machines, if you have them + additional GSB license per machine (Price is discounted)
Workers also run on the free GSB cloud and you can also hire GSB servers for $10 a day.
A high end machine will run 8 to 20 or so workers according to cpu and ram

zabiromr - 26-4-2022 at 06:01 AM

Hi Peter,

I'm using AMD Ryzen 9 (5950X-16Core) machine with 32+32GB RAM. The max number of Workers ran by Resource Manager doesn't do above 6 (CPU & RAM maxed out).

So I was wondering about used server to dedicate for GSB work exclusively. Need your advice on this (I never used sercers before). Here what's available for me on second-hand market:

1) 56 CORE DELL POWER EDGE T430 TOWER SERVER 16 BAY 2.5” 2 U SERVER
Dual INTEL XEON E5-2650LV4 1.70 GHZ TURBO 2.50 GHZ PROCESSORS
56 CORE LOGICAL, 70 MB INTEL SMART CACHE
64 GB DDR4 REG ECC RAM
~1650USD

2) 40 CORE DELL POWER EDGE T430 TOWER SERVER 16 BAY 2.5”
DUAL INTEL XEON E5-2650V3 2.30 GHZ MAX TURBO FREQUENCY 3.00 GHZ PROCESSOR
40 CORES LOGICAL, 50 MB INTEL SMART CACHE
32 GB DDR4 REG ECC RAM
~1100USD

3) SUPERMICRO CSE-721TQ-250B Black Mini-Tower Server Case 250W Flex ATX Multi-output Bronze Power Supply
Motherboard / CPU - SUPERMICRO MBD-X10SDV-TLN4F-O Mini ITX Server
Intel Xeon processor D-1541 - Single socket FCBGA 1667; 8-Core, 16 Threads, 45W
96 GB - (3x) Samsung M393A4K40BB1-CRC 32GB DDR4-2400 LP ECC Reg Server Memory
~2300USD

admin - 26-4-2022 at 04:56 PM

'@zabiromr,

the dual cpu 2680v2 / 2690v2 are best bank for buck by a long way, but getting older. I prefer the 2699v3 or 2696v3 dual cpu
ultimatly cpubenchmark.net will tell you the cpu rating whats best bang for buck.
Note however you might have a machine full of 4gb modules, and you cant add more ram unless you throw out all your current memory
Ive also bought and shipped internationally servers to australia. Depends what country your in, but your range looks limited.
Im not uptodate on pricing. What country are you in?
if you have a fast cpu, and those listed are better than your amd, but not fast - you want 128 gb of ram with the option of 256 gb
ram useage depends on what you do with gsb
On rare occasions you get people use 5 10 15 30 60 min bars all at the same time. Systems are total crap and ram use spectacular. 30 to 40 gb per worker.
30 min bars typically use 12 gb or so per worker, and you can run say 12 workers on dual 2680v2 or 18?? 2699v3

you can also got to a i9 cpu but must have 3 fan water cooler

zabiromr - 26-4-2022 at 09:19 PM

Thanks Peter,

I'm ordering 2x32GB DDR4 modules for now, to have total 128GB (max for my MB). Let's see how this will help. I'm in UAE now, prices are quite steep here. Not willing to pay extrat for exponentially outdating hardware...

admin - 26-4-2022 at 09:22 PM

@zabiromr, not sure if your motherboard supports a faster amd, but regardless amd is not a good option. using the same case, ram etc with an i9& new motherboard might be another option later down the track

zabiromr - 28-4-2022 at 10:11 AM

Unfortunately my MB does not support higher-end CPUs.

I found an interesting option: Refurbished Dell Precision Tower 7910
- Dual E5-2696v4 (2x22 cores - 88 threads total);
- 128Gb Ram (2x32Bb) - pleanty if room for expantion with 16 slots in total;

Seriously considering it :-)

admin - 28-4-2022 at 04:42 PM

The dell is a very good option. You motherboard can be replaced and you can still use the bits of the old machine. Depends on the $ if its worth it.

zabiromr - 30-4-2022 at 09:55 AM

I finally got Dell option.
Now I need an advice on the setup with GSB. What are my options (preferably not purchasing additional license at this point)?
GSB is currently innstalled on AMD machine. Should I completely move it to new one (and revoke activation from AMD), or there is a way to share both PCs resources? (both on same network).

admin - 2-5-2022 at 01:20 AM

Quote: Originally posted by zabiromr

I finally got Dell option.
Now I need an advice on the setup with GSB. What are my options (preferably not purchasing additional license at this point)?
GSB is currently innstalled on AMD machine. Should I completely move it to new one (and revoke activation from AMD), or there is a way to share both PCs resources? (both on same network).

best email me. You need $400 license to run the second machine, or I can revoke the license so it can be re-used

tradeout - 30-8-2022 at 06:43 AM

I currently have a rented server with Oplink which runs an E5-2683v4 with 128GB of RAM, I have requested the upgrade to 256GB of RAM as this is the machine I run my managers on.
I am running my second license on my desktop PC running an i7 9700K with 64GB of RAM, the desktop generally doesn't seem to spawn many workers and have been researching an inexpensive replacement to just run GSB workers on.
It appears from this thread that I would not have much benefit running 256GB of RAM vs 128GB if it's just running workers.

I have been looking at options to build one myself and AliExpress has some great options on Dual Xeons, I won't post the links in case that's not allowed but you only need to search for the processor names on there, RE Store seem to be very well regarded.
I'm looking at picking up a couple of E5-2680v4's which come in at about $80 each, 4 x 32GB of ECC 2400Mhz RAM for $70 each (can always add another 4 if 256GB is a real must) and an X99 dual EATX motherboard for $114.

Since AliExpress ship globally I thought I'd share this with everyone in case they are looking for a more cost effective way to complete a build.
I will probably go with a 650w power supply, which I'll take from an old gaming PC as well as the case and fans.
The other options are:
E5-2697v3 - $130
E5-2699v3 $130
E5-2697v3 - $80
E5-2699v4 - $200

Looking at these options, it is completely feasible to build a half decent server for running GSB for under $1000

The other problem to overcome is the Windows license for multi CPU devices, Windows 10 Pro does not support more than 1 CPU and Windows Server territory starts to get very expensive when licensing per core. IT appears that Microsoft have a different offering (which I never realised but maybe everyone else already did!) Windows 10 Pro for Workstations, I'm guessing the pre-built workstations people are buying would already have a copy.
I have found a retailer that sells OEM keys for $50 USD, which isn't too bad.

Apologies if this is all information shared before but I hope it will help people.

Ty

admin - 25-10-2022 at 06:29 PM

Thanks to a new GSB user, fascinating try out the new intel i9-12900k

On GSB, the optimal amount of workers was two! Normally its about 12, and on high end AMD, many times more than this.
This has big implications to needing much less ram for GSB

Speed was comparable with dual plat 8160, faster than dual e5-2699v3
Suspect similar speed to dual 2699v4

FOr TS optimization it was twice the speed of dual 2699v3. The reason is ts cant use more than 32 cores, and the dual 2699v3 has 72 cores
This is the same speed as the expensive amd 3970x for ts. Again same issue. This amd has a lot of cores which ts will not use.

Im keen to try a intel i9-12900kF and i9 13900 if anyone has one

admin - 31-10-2022 at 10:35 PM

Coming in a few days
Speed comparison of
Dual e5-2690v2 vs
Dual e5-2696v3 vs
amd ryzen 9 5960x vs
i9-12900k i9 13900K
There are some very significant changes with the newer CPU's

admin - 3-11-2022 at 06:06 PM

In summary, my i9-13900k is y far the best CPU for GSB and TS
Its actually running slower than it should due to thermal throttling, and its on old slow ddr4 2400 ram
Needs only 5 workers to max out cpu, which means much less ram than others that need 8 to 30 workers to run at max speed

Speed to optimize in ts is spectacular

Another issue
Windows 11 has a significant bug that wrong cpu usage figures are report back to all apps. This will cause mild hassels in GSB resource manager.
it reports 1% CPU per gsb worker, when the cpu is maxed out.

GSB minimum hardware requirements

Spyros - 22-11-2022 at 03:39 PM

Hi to all,

I was considering a software to build a few systems and after I saw the video comparing AdaptradeBuilder vs GSB here I am. Would like to give it a trial try soon and hopefully buy a single GSB license to start. I have tried some auto-systems before BUT all were ready/custom-made for me for both TradeStation and MultiCharts. I would like to run any "newly-built" system MAINLY on MultiCharts (and execute on Interactive Brokers) and perhaps also on TradeStation. NT8is my 3rd and last option. But, since I do not want to go ahead now and invest heavily on new hardware my question is the simplest one: what is the minimum CPU/RAM requirements to run GSB assuming that I will be dedicating the PC (100%-over a weekend mostly)? Also, no rush if GSB takes some extra time to do the job. I know speed and RAM is a huge must for this but I would like to take things slowly first until I get a bit familiar with GSB.
Best regards and many thanks in advance,
Spyros

admin - 22-11-2022 at 03:48 PM

Min ram is 16 GB, but more is better.
Im in the process of updating this later today
https://trademaid.info/gsbhelp/GSBhardwarerecommendations.ht...

admin - 22-11-2022 at 06:58 PM

This is now updated
https://trademaid.info/gsbhelp/GSBhardwarerecommendations.ht...

also pictures on my new I9-13900K
https://trademaid.info/gsbhelp/Intel-I9-13900.html

Zwijnhond - 25-11-2022 at 06:03 AM

Hello Peter,

Thanks for the updated doc on Hardware. A few questions:

1.) Is it correct that new generations AMD are still not favored for GSB?
2.) Is there a reason we should minimize the amount of workers? Why is it a good thing we only should run 2 workers vs 15 e.g.?
3.) This list on the page on hardware. Is this the list you would recommend in order of appearance?

CPU,CPUbenchmarkspeed, cores,threads, watts in total.

i9-12900KS 44717 16 24 241W?? (must have 3 fan water cooler)

E5-2696v4 42836 40 80 290W (dual CPU)

I7 12700k 34449 12 20 190w socket: FCBGA1964

I5-12600KF 26934 10 16 125w This is a new and interesting option. It will be low power, likely run fewer GSB but faster than an 2696v2 with much less power consumption

E5-2696v2 dual 23525 24 48 300W???

admin - 25-11-2022 at 04:54 PM

Good questions.
1) Correct GSB runs very slow on amd and needs lots more workers = lots more ram
Not tested extensively, but I think TS runs much faster too on Intel - only important for those of us who do a lot of optimizations in TS
2) there is a peak performance of how many workers is best. After that not increase or even decrease of speed and more need for ram.
The new intel i9-13900k needs only 5 workers and is the fastest machine.

You first need to ask, do you want bang for buck = older hardware thats very noisy and less power effective
or do you want performance and less fussed on speed
Ive updated the docs and now have info on the i9-13900 which is clearly the best CPU
https://trademaid.info/gsbhelp/GSBhardwarerecommendations.ht...
https://trademaid.info/gsbhelp/Intel-I9-13900.html

admin - 13-12-2022 at 11:38 PM

Significant updates to the Intel I9-13900 are coming
a little is explained at the end here
https://trademaid.info/gsbhelp/Intel-I9-13900.html

Chituan - 23-12-2022 at 11:31 AM

I have the Intel core i9 13900k and tried to run with 5 or 6 workers (beta version) but noticing that only 70% of the CPU is used.

I am using windows 11 and pin the GSB Manager to the front already. Should I expect 100% of CPU used ? what else have I not done right here ?

I attached the screenshot of CPU usage here. In utilization, I see all the E-cores are used but none of the P-cores are used. So something does not seem right.

Thanks

NVM, I noticed that I also need to bring all GSB workers to front (not just GSB Manager)..

Screenshot 2022-12-23 172855.png - 297kB

admin - 23-12-2022 at 04:42 PM

@Chituan
windows 11 cpu measurement is busted, so its ideal to be on 10. - Now I know thats not likely that users will roll back.
I think it works in task manager, but most other apps I have seen its wrong

Run more workers
If you had 128gb of ram, the peak performance is 14 workers.
Sadly my i9 used memory from my older amd cpu, and im limited to 4 16 gb ram modules, so cant upgrade to 128 gb easily

this machine peaks performance at 6 workers, but its running slow ram and significantly slower that the 128 gb of ram
Next week I can get you a trial of gsb benchmark which tests these things.
yes, workers must go to the front. Do you have that option in gsb resource manager?
Whats your cooling. Good chance you are thermal thortling.
The i9 is hard too cool, but we have now figured out solutions.

Ketil - 28-1-2023 at 07:33 AM

I have a computer with the i9 -13900K and 128 mb RAM. It works fine when building systems (NQ-systems with the default settings) and the CPU runs at 100 %. But when the system building is finished, and the next step is getting the A-F stats the computer really slows down. As you can see from the picture below it needs more than 2 hours to produce the stats. In this step the CPU is running at only 25 % of max. With my 10 years old i7 this is done in about 30 minutes, so something must be wrong. I read in the GSB User manual that “the 13th generation CPU's run programs that are in the background much slower than foreground, so the new tiled mode in GSB resource manager must be used.” I don’t know if this is the problem. I have set "StartWorker Tiled" in the RM to TRUE, but that didn’t change anything when it comes to producing the stats. Hopefully someone can give med some advice on how to solve this problem. Thanks.

Ketil - 28-1-2023 at 01:17 PM

The problem in the post above is solved. It looks like it's an issue with the
nq-800-1500_30minBars_75i.gsbopt file, because then I tried one of my own NQ.gsbopt files the A-F stats were produced in approximately 10 minutes.

admin - 29-1-2023 at 03:56 PM

Good your resolved.
Under app settings there is also amount of cores for nth dates etc. Increasing this can lead to faster stats, but be ware that short term ram useage can increase a fair bit.
Likely less of on issue for you on 128 gb. Awesome machine you have

tialt - 16-2-2023 at 06:59 PM

I just purchased an intel i9 13900ks machine and wanted to share some of my experiences.

Specs are ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 HERO motherboard, 2X32GB (64GB) G.Skill DDR5 6000 RAM, Samsung 500GB SSD, EVGA 850 GT power supply, Icegiant Prosiphon cooler, Thermal Grizzly contact frame, Windows 10 Pro.
I bought the components and had them assembled at Micro Center in Mayfield Heights, OH (USA). Technicians seemed competent and helpful.

When I started running GSB on the machine I had overheating issues (without overclocking).
After opening the case and doing some tinkering I found the cooler was not securely fastened to the CPU.
I had to disassemble everything and take the bracket off that adapts the cooler to the motherboard and reinstall it making sure the bracket was positioned so the when cooler was installed it would fit tightly.

Overheating problem solved so I started some mild overclocking. This machine is relatively easy to overclock using the intel Extreme Tuning Utility or the ASUS BIOS.
The highest clock speed I have noticed (I haven't bench marked or seriously tinkered with the settings) are 6000 MHZ.
Cores generally bounce between 5700 & 6000 (mainly on the higher end). My core temps are 75-85C without any cores staying over 80C for more than 2-3 seconds.

Using 30 min data I can open 4-5 workers but any more than that I start running out of memory.
I opted to go with DDR5 RAM since I was building a top-end machine I hoped would last a few years before Moore's law tempted me to splash out another couple thousand bucks.
When I tried to find 128GB of DDR5 RAM, G.Skill customer service told me the memory has to be installed in matched sets and they do not sell 4X32GB modules.
They do not recommend mixing two 2X32GB sets of memory modules.

But that's not the only memory related issue I've had.
I have been persistently getting the Windows blue screen of death. After running the diagnostics tool it found my memory is bad and needs replaced.
I'm currently in the process of getting the old modules taken out so I can return them and I probably will replace them with 128GB of DDR4 RAM.

Although I haven't really had this machine functioning correctly yet I don't believe I would spend the extra $ on the KS version. I would go with the K and DDR4 RAM knowing I could always upgrade in the future.

admin - 16-2-2023 at 07:11 PM

Interesting & impressive
Sadly i have ddr4 ram due to it being left over from my AMD disaster of 3 years ago. (AMD speed was 1/4 comparable intel speed)
ddr4 ram is much slower, and similar price to ddr5, so i would get a ddr5 motherboard.
my machine is full with 4 x 16 gb ram ddr4 modules, and so I either need to replace them all with 4 32 gb ddr4
or get a new motherboard and get 4 ddr5 modules,
or I can leave as is.
Machine is delightfull but I cant max it out as I have 2 to 4 managers at a time, which uses most of my current 64 gb ram
Its important to have max speed for the managers if you are like me with massive cloud power from other machines.
Otherwise you main cloud can be idle while your workers are doing stats.
Much less an issue if you run 4 managers, but I do this roughly 50% of the time

what cpu cache voltage are you running to get the over clock?

tialt - 17-2-2023 at 05:30 AM

All of the overclocking I've done is with intel's Extreme Tuning Utility's "built-in" overclocking option or the ASUS Bios auto overclock feature.
I watch core temps but haven't paid much attention to some of the other variables.
When I get the bugs worked out I'll do a follow-up post with more detail.

admin - 17-2-2023 at 04:18 PM

unrelated comment
my intel i9 13900 when running lowest possible clock speeds and under volt by 0.1 runs about the same speed as a dual intel 2690v2 but draws only 112 watts compare to about 400 on the dual 2690v2
This is really good for those who want to contribute to the free cloud without the high power consumption cost

tialt - 28-3-2023 at 05:31 AM

I just wanted to do a follow-up on my 17-2-2023 post concerning my i9 13900KS build.
After two weeks back with the tech at Micro Center he was finally able to get it stable.
Changed the processor, motherboard (twice) and memory (several times) so now I have a i9 13900KS processor, 128GB of Corsair Vengeance 5200 DDR5 RAM & ASRock z790 TAICHI motherboard.
When I got it back I had to remove and correctly install the Icegiant cooler (again) but everything is stable on Windows 10 Pro and I'm really happy with the speed.
I've done some mild overclocking while keeping the temps within a reasonable range.

admin - 28-3-2023 at 10:13 PM

good to hear, what clock speed /temp are you running? Most of us undervolt -.05 and dont over clock at all as temp too much as issue

tialt - 29-3-2023 at 06:31 PM

After some tweaking today I'm running the fastest I ever have and my CPU temps are 55-70C (mostly 55-60C).
I tried using Intel's OC utility but it was always running hot, ~80-85C and my system was pretty unstable so I tried ASRock's OC utility, in performance mode and it has worked much better and is stable.
My speed is 4700-5200MHz (not too impressive for a machine capable of over 6000) but the CPU temps are 55-60C.
Using 30 min SPY & QQQ bars I'm running 8-9 workers with 75-85% CPU & RAM utilization and getting 16,000 to 20,000 systems/min.
I might try to change a few more settings but I'm really happy with the results so far and everything is stable!

admin - 29-3-2023 at 06:47 PM

@tialt
I would like to benchmark your machine at some stage, but much too busy now. YOu might be able to view the asrock settings via the intel manager
amazing temps. You should be getting 100%cpu but note that win 11 cpu usage is busted for most apps. windows task manager is correct though

tialt - 30-3-2023 at 09:41 AM

I'm running Windows 10 Pro and the CPU usage is not correct either. I opened Task Manager & I'm maxing the CPU out at 7-9 workers.
Task Manager was 95-100% for the CPU and 75% for RAM, Resource Manager is showing about 75% for CPU & 75% for RAM.
I may give the Intel OC utility another try, after watching things for a while I was probably pushing everything a little too hard.
The Intel automatic OC mode is fast but pushes all my CPU temps to 90-100C whereas the ASRock utility performance mode is what I've been using to get the speed & temps I've shared.
I will be out of town next week but sure you can benchmark it if you'd like.

admin - 11-4-2023 at 10:17 PM

thanks for the offer. Under too much pressure to benchmark for now
I suspect the code that maximises fron ground apps from win 11 is being moved into win10. I think I saw the same issue on a win 10 before.

admin - 12-4-2024 at 02:34 AM

I have 2 dual cpu 2680v2 servers with at least 128 gb of ram for sale, in a data center for $85 a month
Cost $280 for 128 gb
and $340 for 192 gb of ram
with windows server 2019 loaded.
email me if this is of interest.

uhrbi - 27-1-2025 at 02:25 PM

I'm in the process of putting together a new PC and was wondering if anyone has any experience with GSB and AMD Ryzen 9 PCs or even Intel's new Arrow Lake processors?
I know Intel was much better than AMD with previous generations of processors, but I have no idea if that is the case with the new ones,
and buying a last or even second to last generation Intel processor doesn't seem to make much sense given their age and reported issues.
Is there a specific benchmark score I should be looking for when comparing processors on paper?

admin - 27-1-2025 at 04:01 PM

hi Uhrbi
Good question.
cpubenchmark.net is a great guide for intel. Last I checked - and its been some time a amd score has to be scaled down by 50 to 75%, and it needs more ram and copies of GSB to max the CPU out.
Second hand a dual cpu 2699v4 is best bang for buck.
You want at least 128 gb of ram for intel, with the option to increase if thats possible

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