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[*] posted on 13-7-2020 at 02:29 AM


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Peter, i tried quickly the macro "indicator testing" and used green only, and save app setting to true ( i initially read t quickly and thougth it was OPT setting)
So my observation is like this... stats for params. look different compared to when done manually and when done by macro, a bug or feature ?

I ran the macro 3 times after each other after manually resetting the params ... the file name is saved by adding a "green" wording aafter each file saved, feature or bug ? i assume its somehow a feature to differentiate from multiple runs...

I am confused by the option "save app setting" in the macro, since it would be logical if it was OPT setting, but app setting ?
I can see the OPT setting getting saved, after running the macro, but i cant see any APP setting getting saved despite my was set to true by mistake..

Anyway, i understand we are just in the beginning of these features and i think it will save lots of time going ahead, after a proper understanding of how to incorporate them into the workflow process.

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After having spent the weekend trying out the new features, it straightened out my question marks about batchfiles and getting this to work etc, and things are clear now. One thing that seems not to work in my end is the stats export, i either get no values in the exported excel sheet or i get just like two cells... not getting the logic behind how i can control exactly what is exported.. before autoexport, in my macro i put stats to A and B, i then finish the macro with stats export..


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[*] posted on 13-7-2020 at 04:05 AM


Hi Nick & Daniel
The option of manager staying open, but batch continuing has been planed from the beginning. I know its needed. Not a lot of work to do and it will be done.
Correct that save settings should be called saved opt sttings, not app settings. This will be renamed.
Export to stats (not custom export ) can be done a little down the track
Daniel,is whats in stats what you want? If not change the m3-macro dates etc
Or is the problem whats in stats doesnt export correctly.
A dont use just AB but ABCD
cHECK ARE YOU ON 58.47 AND do you have export stats at the end of the macro


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[*] posted on 13-7-2020 at 05:25 AM


.48 build has this in export now
Avg. A Avg. B Avg. C Avg. D
27717 649 1867 2771
PRIMARY
AverageFc
BollingerUpperBand
CloseOverPrevCloseD
Dmi
FastK
ForwardReverseEMA
LowestFc
MyRSI
MyStochastic
XAverage
SECONDARY
CloseLessPrevHighD
ENTRYMODES
Compare2


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[*] posted on 13-7-2020 at 07:15 AM


I believe i have not understood export stats correctly, i was under the impression that whatever stats i have asked my macro to put in stats A B C etc, was going to be exported to excel... as i understand from above, you only export average fitness value ?

Is there a chance to be able to get whatever stats and all metrics to excel by the export stats function?
As it is now, i am copy pasting from GSB to excel after each batch

Export entry mode, i assume this is exporting stats same way as for indicators...would be useful if a user builds using all entry modes and takes decisions from this info..
would be great if perhaps one could at some stage do one build per entry mode.. i could do this now from the batch file.. but that would require me to create one opt file with the entry mode chosen.. not sure if its the optimal way..


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[*] posted on 13-7-2020 at 07:24 AM


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Hi Nick & Daniel
The option of manager staying open, but batch continuing has been planed from the beginning. I know its needed. Not a lot of work to do and it will be done.
Correct that save settings should be called saved opt sttings, not app settings. This will be renamed.
Export to stats (not custom export ) can be done a little down the track
Daniel,is whats in stats what you want? If not change the m3-macro dates etc
Or is the problem whats in stats doesnt export correctly.
A dont use just AB but ABCD
cHECK ARE YOU ON 58.47 AND do you have export stats at the end of the macro


Hi Peter,

What i want exported is what i have in my included picture, what i have now is as you can see something else.. but i think it is as intended from you, but not what i wanted exported :)



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[*] posted on 13-7-2020 at 04:37 PM


Hi Daniel,
this looks like expected in that whats in excel is a,b but I dont see a tab between a & b
check in notepad. You can always cut and paste.
The export is the custom export.
I will get full export done before too long


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[*] posted on 15-7-2020 at 08:22 AM


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Hi Randy,

I agree. have worked with Blue Prism RPA (robotic process automation) in the past (not on GSB).

Every little change in the underlying software you are trying to automate by using RPA can cause the RPA script to fail.
I think GSB's development is too fast to be controlled by RPA.

Better solution is to automate the steps within GSB.
Setting up GSB could be improved by using a more process driven approach instead of data driven.

The analysis part should be a combination of process and data driven aproach I think.

What does the maker of the video think? I think I saw the name Lorenzo in the video?

Hi,
I did the video. Well, when you write:
>Every little change in the underlying software you are trying to >automate by using RPA can cause the RPA script to fail.
> I think GSB's development is too fast to be controlled by RPA.
It depends. If you write the scripts in "static way" every little change frome GSB will cause a crash, for example...
To identify the GSB manager you can write

Code:
<wnd app='gsbmanager.58.180.exe' ctrlname='MainForm' />


obviously, when a new version will be released it will not work. but if you write

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<wnd app='gsbmanager.*.exe' ctrlname='MainForm' />


in this case, it will work always. I did all the program in GSB "parametric", It only took me half a day. I think GSB will never get to the automatization level of a specific program.

>I think GSB's development is too fast to be controlled by RPA.
I did, I ensure it's not so hard.

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[*] posted on 15-7-2020 at 04:22 PM


Here is another video on UI path by Lorenzo


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[*] posted on 15-7-2020 at 10:58 PM


Daniel,
programer says full stats are working in 58.51 build, (if custom export is disabled in macro 3)
I didnt work when I tried it, but I havnt had time to recheck

Docs for GSB automation is here.
https://trademaid.info/gsbhelp/GSBAutomation.html
exe is under testing by a few users.
It needs more polishing, but I think is fully functional.


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[*] posted on 16-7-2020 at 02:18 AM


Peter, sounds great, where do i find GSB automation software? btw this time updates with new managers and standalone worked, so thats also great.


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[*] posted on 16-7-2020 at 03:01 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Daniel UK1  
Peter, sounds great, where do i find GSB automation software? btw this time updates with new managers and standalone worked, so thats also great.

I sent you an email with url earlier today.
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[*] posted on 16-7-2020 at 08:03 AM


Feedback on Auto software..
Really cool.

But, would be great if
- All instances started could be seen on main GUI, right now first one is not to be seen so ou cant really see elapsed tie, etc etc... from a logical perspective a user would expect to see status of all instances started by auto software in this GUI.

- Myself i never use the folder settings >optimization> manager ... i always use market specific folders and for each part of my process etc, so i would appreciate if i can pick a folder anywhere as the path for opt setting, and then the opt settings created, is also saved into this folder.

- If there was a possibility to restart a instance a auto software, instead of having to restart a new instance.

- If i chose Repeat tests, i would have the option to have each new created opt setting for each cycle... so for example, cycle 1 you ad a 1 to the file name, for cycle 2 you ad a 2 in the filename... this wouldbe good since for example i would like to run 4 cycles .. and i would like each time to create a new green green file etc.. This would enable a user to run multiple runs from one Auto instance and just use one opt setting, instead of having to copy paste and rename opt setting and creating multiple instances of the auto software.

But very good stuff indeed


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[*] posted on 16-7-2020 at 01:35 PM


For auto software..I struggle to understand logic of how i can control when a macro is started within same manager, for example i want to have the auto software to launch a manager and then run 3 separate macros in the same manager after another... and how i control instead to have 3 separate managers after each another, running one macro per manager... is the logic that if Start to build, is in the macro a new manager is started, and when not a macro is just run in same manager after another ?

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[*] posted on 16-7-2020 at 06:54 PM


Daniel,
In ideal world, the front end for Automation needs a lot more work, though its functional. Not sure if you realize but its a modification of GSB Benchmark program
more from me later


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[*] posted on 16-7-2020 at 08:43 PM


Hi Daniel
as for paths
here are options
we specifiy coded paths that are global.
ie
gsb c:\gsb {or z:\gsb etc
macros c:\gsb\data\manager\macros or z:\gsb\data\manager\macros

or relative to gsb automation.
ie gsb is one folder above c:\gsb\gsb_automation

GSB i think uses relative paths, so you can copy it to another folder /drive and it works fine

As for repeat tasks
why do you want to run mutiple runs when there is a repeat test option? I need to understand this to know what to do

Why do you want to restart a instance? ( i assume not the entire 3 tests) but test 2 of 3 etc


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[*] posted on 17-7-2020 at 01:57 AM


Hi Peter,

I believe i was not clear when it comes to paths.. in regards to GSB in general, as you know a way to change path to data folder to somewhere else than c:GSB where GSB is installed, would be great.

When it comes to auto software, as it is now, only way to run the instance is by placing all opt settings used in settings >optimization> manager folder.
However i am not using this folder path.. i am using for my process settings >optimization> manager and then i use specific folders for each markets and process stage etc..
So right now i have to copy opt setting i want to use with auto software to settings >optimization> manager then i need to cut them back to the folder they really belong to. This is not optimal. I would like to chose the location for my opt setting at any folder i want, and i would like to have the created opt setting by auto software to deliver the new opt setting to this folder where the original opt setting was used from.



In regards to repeated tasks,
On same opt settings file, I would like to build 4 separate indicator2pass, and then run 4 builds to get stats for each.

However the easiest solution would be to do as i do now, create 4 copies of the same opt setting, rename then different, and then run 4x software instance i.e one for each. That accomplish what i want.



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[*] posted on 17-7-2020 at 02:09 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Daniel UK1  
For auto software..I struggle to understand logic of how i can control when a macro is started within same manager, for example i want to have the auto software to launch a manager and then run 3 separate macros in the same manager after another... and how i control instead to have 3 separate managers after each another, running one macro per manager... is the logic that if Start to build, is in the macro a new manager is started, and when not a macro is just run in same manager after another ?


Is it possible to setup from one instance to run 3 separate managers started after each other with a chain of macros in each manager.

Or is it only possible to run one macro per manager started ?

I think i just struggle to understand the full logic so i can control it as i want.


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thumbup.gif posted on 17-7-2020 at 02:12 AM


Quote: Originally posted by admin  
Daniel,
In ideal world, the front end for Automation needs a lot more work, though its functional. Not sure if you realize but its a modification of GSB Benchmark program
more from me later


Fully understand this, my comments on this is just with the intention to provide helpful feedback. Very happy with this auto software as it is, already making process much more efficient.


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[*] posted on 17-7-2020 at 02:22 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Daniel UK1  
Quote: Originally posted by Daniel UK1  
For auto software..I struggle to understand logic of how i can control when a macro is started within same manager, for example i want to have the auto software to launch a manager and then run 3 separate macros in the same manager after another... and how i control instead to have 3 separate managers after each another, running one macro per manager... is the logic that if Start to build, is in the macro a new manager is started, and when not a macro is just run in same manager after another ?


Is it possible to setup from one instance to run 3 separate managers started after each other with a chain of macros in each manager.

Or is it only possible to run one macro per manager started ?

I think i just struggle to understand the full logic so i can control it as i want.


you can run as many managers s you want in sequence.
Whats not done is the ability to change things while AU is running. Im really keen to have this.

There has been a change in todays build.
It was way too complex having macros and having to choose opt settings for each line.
Now we choose opt settings, and have a choice of macro
green , greenorange, or build
I had way too much human error due to this.
What I still need to do is have Custom macro as well as these three
setup now really simple
show here is two pass using green each time
of course you could add one line and make it 3 pass etc

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[*] posted on 18-7-2020 at 06:43 AM


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Quote: Originally posted by Daniel UK1  
Quote: Originally posted by Daniel UK1  
For auto software..I struggle to understand logic of how i can control when a macro is started within same manager, for example i want to have the auto software to launch a manager and then run 3 separate macros in the same manager after another... and how i control instead to have 3 separate managers after each another, running one macro per manager... is the logic that if Start to build, is in the macro a new manager is started, and when not a macro is just run in same manager after another ?


Is it possible to setup from one instance to run 3 separate managers started after each other with a chain of macros in each manager.

Or is it only possible to run one macro per manager started ?

I think i just struggle to understand the full logic so i can control it as i want.


you can run as many managers s you want in sequence.
Whats not done is the ability to change things while AU is running. Im really keen to have this.

There has been a change in todays build.
It was way too complex having macros and having to choose opt settings for each line.
Now we choose opt settings, and have a choice of macro
green , greenorange, or build
I had way too much human error due to this.
What I still need to do is have Custom macro as well as these three
setup now really simple
show here is two pass using green each time
of course you could add one line and make it 3 pass etc


Thanks, after a few days running the auto software, i figured things out and now configured it as i wanted, 4 unique opt settings doing indicator filtering, and 4 unique builds per unique opt setting for stats.. all good now..

A great feature would be to be able to copy paste a sequence/layer with opt setting and macros, when adding a new, since if you have long and complexed configurations and you just want to have several of the same, but just changing opt setting it would save time..


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[*] posted on 20-7-2020 at 12:46 AM


Hi Daniel
I had thought of the need for the recently, but now im less sure.
here is why
Next build I hope to have the ability to cycle through your list or predefined SF (later entry types etc to)

This means in effect, all sf are a exact close of what goes on before.
.. but in thinking this through, you might try say 5 sf for 15 min bars, then 5 sf for 30 min bars.
In that case you want to clone. But if you save AU's settings, you could then make the change in a second AU.
but we need AU#2 to wait for au#1 to be finsihed. This can sort of been done via the delayed start option.
It still makes me sympathetic to your request.


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[*] posted on 20-7-2020 at 02:53 AM


Peter,

I very much like this
Next build I hope to have the ability to cycle through your list or predefined SF (later entry types etc to)"
This however means that stats feature needs to be working, i have yet not been able to use stats export feature, since i cant get stats exported that i am using*which is the stats i see in GUI tab stats.

I was just about to ask if you was heading into this direction, "the toggle trough all possibilities in a setting" for a test, because going into this direction for your dev, means that at some point, my whole process could be automated by having one json setting file per stage on my process, which is really good stuff.

If you was not heading into the above direction, then one would have to save an opt setting per feature/setting turned on/off, which would be not optimal.
I would also create issues when a new option was enabled.


In regards to cloning, in my case it really has nothing to do with the above, right now i am running 2 pass plus 4 copies of stats for end results, and then same again 4 times... in one and same auto software instance, so 18 builds in total for a single sf filter, and i save 4 version of same opt setting with different names to identify them for stats. Hence the convenience of being able to clone. But not a necessity.


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[*] posted on 20-7-2020 at 04:34 AM


Here is a preview of the next build. The SF option doesnt yet work in this build, but if gives you an idea if it.

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[*] posted on 20-7-2020 at 05:52 AM


Hi Peter, does this mean that one cant anymore use different macros per opt setting used as i do now?
I kind of sense that the macro table is used for all opt settings in your frontend pic ?

Looking forward to test the toggle trough settings feature, it means though that one needs to be able to export output stats as one can see it now in gui.


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[*] posted on 20-7-2020 at 05:53 AM


Hi Peter, does this mean that one cant anymore use different macros per opt setting used as i do now?
I kind of sense that the macro table is used for all opt settings in your frontend pic ?

Looking forward to test the toggle trough settings feature, it means though that one needs to be able to export output stats as one can see it now in gui.


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