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Quote: Originally posted by engtraderfx  | For interest, I found a few 2nd hand workstations, ex oil & Gas projects CAD machines around $1.2 to 1.5K? In perth, not sure if will post yet.
HP Z820 WorkStation - Dual Xeon 2.6 / Quadro 5000/ 256GB ECC RAM $1.5K
Bit of overkill with ram?
HP Z800 CAD WORKSTATION DUAL XEON 24 THREADS 96GB QUADRO 5000 $1.2K, multiple available.
Not many sites advertise specifically for trading computers, would computer's spec's for CAD be suitable, I notice my work also uses Z820 type
machines for heavy duty work.
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compare to theserverstore.com e2690v2
Im now running 384 gb on 2 of my servers. You can tweak the cache to be 10% or so faster at the expense of more ram.
256 gb is the ideal I think.
whats the exact cpu type?
I prefer USA server, as the noise and power consumption would be a pain to have in my office
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gleaned from posting. Yes would be interesting to run, I not tech savvy yet on remote servers, would prefer a good machine at home, I just retired my
last pc which lasted 8 yrs! Certainly cheaper than a new machine. Next options is something new but couldn't afford this level.
HP Z820 WorkStation - Dual Xeon 2.6 / Quadro 5000/ 256GB ECC RAM $1.5K
[2x Xeon Intel E5-2670 2.60Ghz 20M Cache 8-Core4 , 256GB ECC DDR3 RAM]
HP Z800 CAD WORKSTATION DUAL XEON 24 THREADS 96GB QUADRO 5000 $1.2K, multiple available.
[HP Z800 DUAL XEON X5675 (2) 24 threads, 3.06 ghz, 96gb ram, 500 gb hdd, 3 more hdd slots, raid controller, dvd/rw, nvidia quadro 5000 2.5gb ram, 34
frames per sec, firewire, dual gigabit lan ports, dual display out ports, hd sound, FULL MS OFFICE 2007 Enterprise FULLY INSTALLED.WINDOWS 10 PRO 64.
]
I found a supplier where I live doing trading computers (https://supertechcomputers.com.au/PC-for-CAD-Video-Photo-Mus...), but obviously much more $ for i7/i9 & offer only 64MB ram (is that motherboard
limit or only $$ limit?), eg 8 Core Intel® Core™ i7-7820X X-series Processor (11M Cache, up to 4.30 GHz).
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the i9 is as fast as the dual x2690 and twice the price as the ddr4 ram is so expensive. With the wisdom of hindsite, $ I put into i9 would have been
better put into the super micro dual xeon. The mother board will have 4 or 8 slots max.
so if you get a i9, you get one with 16gb modules & 8 slots.
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[compare to theserverstore.com e2690v2] thanks, I see, the e2670 is a little lower CPU score than 2690, but the ram above is significant which makes
it very attractive, cost of upgrading other options is large adder (eg serverstore e2690 is higher with lower ram, e2670 options are cheaper but much
less ram 24 to 96 gb). Just found an option to build it up.... https://www.theserverstore.com/hp-z820-workstation.html.
Still i haven't got a response from seller anyway, will keep this in mind.
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More options from server store with 128 ram, but still need to need to ship & covert to aud$.
https://www.amazon.com/Z820-Workstation-E5-2670-Professional...
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not sure what cpu your after . 2.6 GHz Intel Pentium II Xeon ?
you need to check on cpubenchmark.net
better to go to texas data center us$60 a month. The power bill likely cost you that amount.
your also up for gst etc if over $1000
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Peter,
I'm trying to figure out what will be the ideal setup for me and I based on the manual, I think I'll have a Manager on my personal PC (i7 with 16GB
ram) and run workers on a Dual Xeon e2690v2 server with 256GB ram that I plan to place on my data center.
Having said that, my questions are:
1) Do I have to buy several licenses to run the workers on the e2690v2 server since the manager will be at my PC? Both are in the same network.
2) If the above is YES, then if I have both the Manager and the Workers running on the e2690v2 server and access them though remote desktop, then 1
license of GSB is enough?
3) Finally, how many workers do you estimate I can run on a Dual Xeon e2690v2 with 256GB ram?
Thx and happy new year!
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| Quote: Originally posted by adcardoso01 | Peter,
I'm trying to figure out what will be the ideal setup for me and I based on the manual, I think I'll have a Manager on my personal PC (i7 with 16GB
ram) and run workers on a Dual Xeon e2690v2 server with 256GB ram that I plan to place on my data center.
Having said that, my questions are:
1) Do I have to buy several licenses to run the workers on the e2690v2 server since the manager will be at my PC? Both are in the same network.
2) If the above is YES, then if I have both the Manager and the Workers running on the e2690v2 server and access them though remote desktop, then 1
license of GSB is enough?
3) Finally, how many workers do you estimate I can run on a Dual Xeon e2690v2 with 256GB ram?
Thx and happy new year! |
You need to buy one license per physical machine. Price is heavily discounted to $400, or $300 with initial purchase of GSB. Else you can move your
one license to the xeon, when its removed from the i7
One license is fine to use via RDP if you terminate the i7 license.
GSB ram2 (to be released soon ) will auto manage the number of workers.
At this instant all I am doing is WF on 29,30,31 min bars, and 12 workers are run. CPU will be a bit different for building systems which is what we
spend most our time doing.
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Manager in the i7 vs Manager via RDP on the server:
> Having the Manager on the i7: Is there any advantage other than faster GUI and convenience?
> As far as performance goes, the result would be the same running the manager on the i7 or on via RDP?
Thx!
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| Quote: Originally posted by adcardoso01 | Manager in the i7 vs Manager via RDP on the server:
> Having the Manager on the i7: Is there any advantage other than faster GUI and convenience?
> As far as performance goes, the result would be the same running the manager on the i7 or on via RDP?
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I like working from rdp, but thats a preference. I feel best to have the cpu power from both computers. If your building say 80,000 systems at a time,
or you want to leave managers open for some time (I do to verify settings and results of newer variations in tests) the i7 might run out of ram
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Got it! Thx a lot! I cannot thank enough for this amazing community! Kudos to you for building such an amazing group!
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On be half of the GSB community, thank you for your comments.
Collectively we can do more than we do as individuals.
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We are changing the recommend supplier for the default GSB machine
Better pricing and service than theserverstore.
Look at this for reference for speed
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/multi_cpu.html
I enclose some screen shots.
Note the speed will vary a fair bit on one identical test to another.
They dont have 2690v2 in stock, but do have 2680v2 (fine)
The contact is Tim Huynh
thuynh@unixsurplus.com
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There is a new AMD out at brilliant price.
Anyone on GSB tried it?
Warning, my AMD threadripper was a disaster. 1/2 the speed of comparable I9 at similar price.
My suspicion is Microsoft c# is optimized for intel, not AMD
This thread might help/
https://www.ckode.dk/desktop-machines/optimizing-ryzen/
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I wanna know the speed of AMD Ryzen 9 at GSB too.
These new gen AMD CPU is very impressed.
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Looking at the new amd, you would think its much slower.
Less cores, and cache.
However it appears to me the architecture must be very different.
my amd ryzen 1950 was a disaster from a speed perspective. Someone else on ebay did well out of me.
It ran about 50% the speed of intel. Very bad with one gsb worker, and improving with lots of workers, but way behind the intel 7920 I replaced it
with.
I suspect the single threaded speed was part of the issue.
Time to revisit AMD. Best benchmark before you buy one.
  
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There was some intel program to make a specifc app gp faster. Anyone remember what its called. I re-installed my OS, so lost it.
Now we have bench marking program for GSB, I want to tell it helps or now
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I have an Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 app on my new machine if that's what your referring to...
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| Quote: Originally posted by saycem | | I have an Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 app on my new machine if that's what your referring to... |
Thanks for that.
I got mild improvements running 1 or 2 workers, where all cpu cores were at the same clock speed.
ie
1 worker would be 13.57 minutes vs 14.46 for identical test
2 workers would be 14.59 minutes vs 17.17 for identical test
running more workers gave zero difference between other tests
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This helps you maximize your hardware, and possibly choose the best hardware
https://trademaid.info/gsbhelp/GSBBenchmark.html
Docs and product need a little refining. Comments welcome
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there are now 32 gb ran modules, and price is coming down.
Anyone know if they work in intel i7 mother boards.
Manufactures details on older boards all very poor. I have concern that bios fixes to fix vulnerabilities may slow the pc's down.
 
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Does GSB benefit from DDR4 ram? How accurate are the benchmarks?
I'm planning to get back to using GSB and thinking about upgrading to a faster server. I'm wondering if the passmark or Cinebench scores compare
well to GSB performance. I know my dual X5670 with 96gb of DDR3 ram could significantly outdo my I7-6700 with 64gb of DDR4, I'm guessing that GSB
took advantage of the extra cores/threads. I am moving and can't take my server with me. I'm trying to decide whether to ship my old server to a
colo facility and pay the $80/m or to buy a newer server with more ram (or rent a dedicated server) I've been thinking that either way, it would be
easier for me to have my server's local time match the Chicago exchange.
I can get a dual E5-2667 v2 256gb ram for about $1100 with passmark scores of 22686 and a Cinebench score of 2463 (16 cores at 3.2ghz). Or for
$2500, I could get a E5-2697V3 256gb DDR4 with passmark 27424 and Cinebench of 3914.
Or I could keep my X5670 96gb with passmark 12082 and cinebench 1349.
I'm considering renting one of Peter's servers for a day to see how it compares to my old server.
Does anyone know if GSB's performance is closer to passmark or Cinebench (or some other benchmark)? Any advice for my situation?
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| Quote: Originally posted by emsjoflo | I'm planning to get back to using GSB and thinking about upgrading to a faster server. I'm wondering if the passmark or Cinebench scores compare
well to GSB performance. I know my dual X5670 with 96gb of DDR3 ram could significantly outdo my I7-6700 with 64gb of DDR4, I'm guessing that GSB
took advantage of the extra cores/threads. I am moving and can't take my server with me. I'm trying to decide whether to ship my old server to a
colo facility and pay the $80/m or to buy a newer server with more ram (or rent a dedicated server) I've been thinking that either way, it would be
easier for me to have my server's local time match the Chicago exchange.
I can get a dual E5-2667 v2 256gb ram for about $1100 with passmark scores of 22686 and a Cinebench score of 2463 (16 cores at 3.2ghz). Or for
$2500, I could get a E5-2697V3 256gb DDR4 with passmark 27424 and Cinebench of 3914.
Or I could keep my X5670 96gb with passmark 12082 and cinebench 1349.
I'm considering renting one of Peter's servers for a day to see how it compares to my old server.
Does anyone know if GSB's performance is closer to passmark or Cinebench (or some other benchmark)? Any advice for my situation?
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There is a GSB benchmark program
https://trademaid.info/gsbhelp/GSBBenchmark.html
my 2699v3 is a lot slower than dual e5-2680v2.
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Hello Peter,
Did You buy the new ryzen as You have hinted at the other forum? I am considering for myself although I am worried for the applications I am using.
Regarding the issue You have had with Threadripper here an article that could explain what could have happened:
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/302650-how-to-bypass-m...
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| Quote: Originally posted by coccigelus | Hello Peter,
Did You buy the new ryzen as You have hinted at the other forum? I am considering for myself although I am worried for the applications I am using.
Regarding the issue You have had with Threadripper here an article that could explain what could have happened:
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/302650-how-to-bypass-m...
I got to try a new expensive amd, forgot the model but will find out. Speed is still woeful compare to intel. So avoid all amd cpu's for GSB sadly.
Not the fastest computer in the world, but best bang for buck still is e5-2680v2
Ive got to test quite a few machines now. Even quad cpus
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