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admin - 28-7-2017 at 12:40 AM

If your going to get a new pc, what should you get?

Warning, the AMD 1950x thread ripper is less than 50% of the speed of comparable XEON / I7
Same % reduction if you run 1 GSB or 9 at the same time.

This depends on your budget and what you want to do with GSB.
Consider that if you use 30 min bars, and say use S&P500 from 2001 to now, GSB MIGHT run on 8gb of FREE ram, but could be more.
15 minute bars are going to use a bit more ram to.
However you can run 2 to about 6 copies of GSB to fully use the CPU. So this will multiply the need for ram if you want to do this.
Our long term goal is to have multiple gsbworker.exe running on your local and remote machine(s).
In light of that I would go for a motherboard with 8 ram slots
and use 16gb ram modules. That gives you an option for 128 gb of ram.

As for what CPU.
I dont recommend a xeon unless your in a data center with a 1u box. They are poor bang for buck compared to overclocked i7/i9

Choose your budget and look here.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
Im very keen to upgrade my i7-5960 too the i9-7900
Keep in mind its easy and fairly cheap to over clock the i7-i9 just under 50%.
You need a dual fan water cooler, and a big case with good fans.
If overclocking, my i5960 draws 400 watts. That means you need about 800 watt power supply or more. Its much cheaper and more reliable to get a p/s split-er and use 2 x 500 watt p/s.
Before this Ive blown up a number of very expensive high power, power supplies.
If over clocking get a mid range m/b.
Hard drive is not critical but a samsung m2 512mb drive is by far best bank for buck, and use any sata hdd as backups etc.

ram speed, I dont know if its a bottle neck for GSB, but if you crank up the bus speed, it tends to crank up the ram clock speed. In summary mid range speed of ram is what I would go for.

cyrus68 - 31-7-2017 at 07:04 AM

The new i7 and i9 are xeons that Intel has reconfigured at a lower price point. The reason is that chipzilla's price gouging has been threatened by AMD releasing a slew of high-end CPUs.

The problem with i7 and i9 is that they overheat when working under full load - even without overclocking. My preference is for AMD's Threadripper - 16C/32T.

The Mobos will be out in the next month or two and will have 8 dimm slots. I plan on inserting 32 GB initially, in 2 sticks. However, the CPU is 4 channel, which means it is optimal to populate 4 slots. I am not yet sure how much performance I will be giving up.

I agree on mid-range speed for ram. I don't like water cooling and will get a Noctua. A cool case, in both senses, is desirable. I will get another Fractal Design case.

admin - 31-7-2017 at 04:26 PM

Im very keen to see the Ryzen thread ripper 1950x.
The intel cpu thermal compound is done very poorly - a shame. Yet and the power consumption on intel is much higher.
One plus on GSB, even with a number of copies - cpu is not at 100%. So thats got to help heat.
I think 1950x is out 10 august. Im very keen to see how this goes with GSB.
cpubenchmark seems to be a good approximate for GSB speed. My 36core xeon runs the same speed as i5960 thats over clocked.
I Now love all in one lqiuid cooler. Much easier if you ever need to swap ram out. The noctua is great but gets in the way of ram removal.
Last I tested, using less memory chips didnt affect speed of anything, though I understand why it might.

cyrus68 - 2-8-2017 at 02:19 AM

Check the clearance allowed by the cpu cooler for easy install/uninstall of ram sticks BEFORE buying the cooler. Get low-rise sticks to make life easier.

An 800w psu should be fine for most builds. But if you are overclocking and have a hefty graphics card, it's better to go for 1000w or 1200w. I'm unfamiliar with psu splitters, mentioned above.

admin - 2-8-2017 at 04:35 AM

Much cheaper and more reliable to use two power supplies with this setup. 12 volts cpu power gets power from both p/s. This is where most of the power gets sucked from.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Cable-Dual-24pin-ATX-Power-Supply...

Cable-Dual-24pin-ATX-Power-Supply-Connector-Splitter-Dual-PSU-ATX-Adapter-FB

admin - 10-8-2017 at 04:03 PM

The new AMD is out. This is awesome. Can anyone tell me how this goes being overclocked? It runs much cooler than the intel.

cyrus68 - 11-8-2017 at 12:20 AM

Personally, I don't overclock, but here's one review that looks at the overclocking issue.

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/08/10/amd_ryzen_threadr...

The 1950x is essentially a workstation chip that has been enabled for OC. It does support ECC RAM, just like the Xeons in the list.

As a workstation chip, the Mobos are priced accordingly. Any build based on the 1950x is going to be expensive. For a cheaper build, you can go for the Ryzen 1800x. However, with half the number of cores, you will have to wait longer for GSB to crunch the numbers.

The power draw at load, for the 1950x is a hefty 451W. However, Xeons with equivalent number of cores would do the same.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/08/amd-threadripper-rev...

admin - 11-8-2017 at 04:04 AM

Quote: Originally posted by cyrus68

Personally, I don't overclock, but here's one review that looks at the overclocking issue.

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/08/10/amd_ryzen_threadr...

The 1950x is essentially a workstation chip that has been enabled for OC. It does support ECC RAM, just like the Xeons in the list.

As a workstation chip, the Mobos are priced accordingly. Any build based on the 1950x is going to be expensive. For a cheaper build, you can go for the Ryzen 1800x. However, with half the number of cores, you will have to wait longer for GSB to crunch the numbers.

The power draw at load, for the 1950x is a hefty 451W. However, Xeons with equivalent number of cores would do the same.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/08/amd-threadripper-rev...

One copy of GSB doesnt need many cores for max speed, but we are starting work on the client server version next week.
The articles were interesting. It seems the current cooling solutions water blocks are a bit small, though there will be sufficient.

cyrus68 - 12-8-2017 at 02:27 AM

How many clients? This is OK if you have several fast computers on the LAN. Otherwise, a single powerful computer is a better option - both in terms of processing speed and power draw.

On water blocks - if you like DIY, roll up your sleeves and have mucho $$$ ready.

https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-supremacy-evo-amd-threadripper-...

admin - 13-8-2017 at 05:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by cyrus68

How many clients? This is OK if you have several fast computers on the LAN. Otherwise, a single powerful computer is a better option - both in terms of processing speed and power draw.

Short term all GSB will have client server mode. We started work on this week on it. So if you have one license, you can run x GSB on one computer in client server mode. A decent i7 does 4 copies ideally. A More powerful machine will do more.
If you have two licensees for GSB, you can then run GSB on the second computer. I expect it to run full speed with no degradation in performance. Will also not need to be on a lan, and a slow internet connection will not affect speed. Later I may produce a cut down GSB that works as server only. I may also have a paid service where you pay a bit to get access to GSB cloud power.
There should not be any limits on how many GSB you can as long as you have the license, CPU grunt and ram.
Additional GSB licenses or server?? can be purchased, but I havnt decided on the cost.
Many of us have servers in data centers that sit idle on weekends, and outside day session hours, so I also want to maximize this.

admin - 16-8-2017 at 06:26 AM

Initial results show the amd 1950 to be very slow on GSB. Proceed with caution.

admin - 16-8-2017 at 04:15 PM

Warning, the AMD 1950x thread ripper is less than 50% of the speed of comparable XEON / I7
Same % reduction if you run 1 GSB or 9 at the same time.
Note the intel is standard speed, and the AMD is overclocked to 4ghz

cyrus68 - 16-8-2017 at 11:37 PM

What is the clock speed of the Xeon? I notice that it has 4 more threads than the AMD. Still the performance gap is significant. The new high-end i7 chips are derived from Xeons.

In recent tests, the Threadripper CPUs outperformed the Intel i7 chips in number-crunching tasks, such as Excel Monte Carlo simulation. So why the poor performance with GSB? Will the Threadripper also perform poorly when running Builder or Matlab?

admin - 16-8-2017 at 11:48 PM

its a e5 2699v3 2.4ghz turbo 3.6 ghz. GSB runs about the same speed on my i7 5960 @4.4 ghz (over clocked)
I think the single core benchmark speed its whats most critical, but not yet certain.

cyrus68 - 17-8-2017 at 12:07 AM

A notable difference between the two is that the Xeon is using the available RAM much more effectively than the AMD. I wonder why the AMD isn't using more of the generous memory available.

Also, I presume both machines were running the same apps, namely GSB only.

admin - 17-8-2017 at 12:09 AM

the xeon had a lot more apps loaded, but nothing signifcant using the cpu. Thats why there was much less free ram on it.
Regardless the xeon was much faster.

admin - 21-8-2017 at 08:17 PM

This article was very useful.
Best bang for buck looks like intel 7900 with good clock speed. 7740 probably will do one copy of GSB the fastestest the clock is higher.7800, 7820 also worth trying.
If anyone has one of the above, let me know as I would like to benchmark it.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-skylake-x-specif...

In summary the GSB client server on the same machine should run between 2 to 4.6 times faster.
It varies massively with CPU type. I7 was much faster on 1 copy of GSB, but only twice as fast with 9 copies working.
Xeon was much slower but 4.6 times faster with 9 copies working.

admin - 28-9-2017 at 01:09 PM

The overclocked i9-7920x @ 4700mhz is roughly 8% slower than overclocked i7-5960@4400mhz and about 27% faster running 9 copies of GSB. Both run about 400 watts total power consumption. (overclocking increases power consumption a lot)
the i9 runs at about 76c. Temp is erratic. Thats with a tripple 12 cm fan water cooler, and the 5960 runs a stable 60c with a 2 fan water cooler.
Overclocking the i9 was very easy. Its never crashed yet, but Im not aiming to go any higher than 4700.

curt999 - 3-10-2017 at 10:48 AM

microsoft is going to release a windows 10 workstation version this fall that will support quad motherboards..client server setup will be interesting on a setup like that..amd opteron or e7 88xx

admin - 3-10-2017 at 01:13 PM

Thats interesting. Keep in mind the i9/i7 is the best cpu for GSB. xeon not as good and amd much worse.
Also 2 CPU's do not run twice as fast. There is a fair bit of internal overhead. Regardless if you get a new high end CPU, it would be good to post the results.

curt999 - 6-10-2017 at 03:49 PM

right 2 cpu dont run as fast on a single worker but in client server mode you will be faster then a single i7/i9..you can run upto 44 cores with a dual 2699..quad e7-88xx go as high as 88 cores+..

admin - 6-10-2017 at 04:37 PM

Im interested in any benchmarks should you get something like this. I got the fastest possible i9, but its not the best bang for buck. Would be interesting to have a decent list of cpu type vs $ per iteration. Keep in mind the i7 5960 was better than the 36 core xeon I have.

curt999 - 6-10-2017 at 06:27 PM

sure thing i have a dell t7910 dual 2696 256ram workstation i use for work here im going to try it now will post results shortly..i see you posted the 37.09 version here i can test it on that if you like..

curt999 - 6-10-2017 at 06:43 PM

hit around 39k but its still going up this was oon 8 workers just your standard setup i just hit the go button..looks like its driving all cores 47gb ram used etc..probably could do another 2 workers or so

curt999 - 6-10-2017 at 07:15 PM

48k with 10 workers but this time i used the precision optimizer profile to spread the load across all cores more evenly if you see..in theory you should be able to hit 100k/min on a quad e7 workstation

quad socket e7 8890 v4

curt999 - 3-11-2017 at 10:26 AM

go around 58k speed on this config 20instances wasn't maxed out could likely run 30 but was having some hardware issues

admin - 3-11-2017 at 03:20 PM

Thats extremely impressive. I looked up the cost of the CPU's and see that is one expenisive but nice to own server. I will try the same test on my i9 @4400 mhz, but its tied up running GSB jobs this weekend.

curt999 - 4-11-2017 at 09:04 AM

sorted out some driver issues on this server did another speed run..on 26 instances got upto 87k/min..tried 30 instances then I think my system overheated heh maxed out at 95k..give people an idea of what client/server mode is capable of if youhave the hardware

quad socket e7 8890 v4

curt999 - 4-11-2017 at 09:05 AM

cyrus68 - 20-11-2017 at 02:33 AM

A bitcoin miner in Zimbabwe would very much like to get his hands on that quad-socket machine.
On another note, does anybody use a 4k monitor, running apps such as GSB, Tradestation, Matlab and the like? I have 3 monitors - 23 inch 1080p. I want to replace the centre monitor with a 32 inch model.

My sense is that, unless the apps are optimised for 4k, they may actually look worse than under 1080p. This may not be simply a scaling issue.

I7-6700 VS OLD SERVER

emsjoflo - 25-11-2017 at 06:00 AM

Yesterday I was running GSB on my HP ( 17-6700 with 16gb ram) and it crashed ( I think it ran out of ram) My computer only has two slots for ram and officially only supports 16gb. supposedly the chipset will support 32gb. I'd have to buy two 16gb sticks. If it weren't $300, I'd probably risk it. Anyway, was shopping on Ebay for Ram and all the cheap ram was for/from servers. Made me wonder if a used server might be an economical machine to run GSB.

So I looked on Craigslist and bought an HP DL360 G7 with two Xeon X5670 cpus and 144gb of ram. Installed Windows 10, downloaded the latest beta version of GSB and started it up. 6 workers about maxes out the CPUs but only uses 54gb of ram. It got as high as 6k/min but is presently running at 5k/min. My i7 can't handle more than 2 workers without running out of ram (presently using 15.1GB and 2.5k/min And it really lags when I click on the GUI -- probably doesn't like the 4k monitors I use)
The old server cost less than $300. Now I'm wondering what $1000 would buy on Ebay.

Does not run on virtual machine

emsjoflo - 25-11-2017 at 06:16 AM

On a whim, I tried to run GSB on our company server but it refused -- saying that the program will not run on a virtual machine. Our server has Windows 2012 with Hyper-V and 5 virtual machines. It is not a huge problem for me -- but I thought I'd pass it along. I'm very glad I did not spend a lot of time setting up virtual machines on the used server I bought

4K support

Gregorian - 25-11-2017 at 10:23 AM

Quote: Originally posted by cyrus68

On another note, does anybody use a 4k monitor, running apps such as GSB, Tradestation, Matlab and the like? I have 3 monitors - 23 inch 1080p. I want to replace the centre monitor with a 32 inch model.

My sense is that, unless the apps are optimised for 4k, they may actually look worse than under 1080p. This may not be simply a scaling issue.

I tried running GSB in 4K, but the fonts were too small to be usable. It's low priority IMHO, but it would be nice if one day GSB could support 4K.

Old Server

emsjoflo - 25-11-2017 at 02:36 PM

Apparently adding a couple of GSB workers after the CPU is at 99% can add to the overall speed -- as long as there is enough ram. Task manager was reporting 99% CPU usage on my dual xeon X5670 server with 6 workers running (about 6k/min) On a whim, I ran another 6 workers (for a total of 12) and got it up to 9,447/min) It is using 35gb of ram and climbing. Last night I saw it get up to 65gb with 6 workers.
Now I just need some more processors to saturate the other 80gb of ram.....

curt999 - 25-11-2017 at 03:32 PM

might not be worth it to get a quad socket unless you go into the e7/e5 area..for $1000 you could build a i7 with 128ram that combo should do 10k/min..the supermicro 8048-tr3f i got above because it still uses the old ddr3 ram which is alot cheaper then ddr4..setting up a quad socket on windows 10 can be rather tricky also you cant just load pro it wont see all processors

emsjoflo - 26-11-2017 at 01:27 PM

Will GSB run on a virtual server like Amazon AWS or Microsoft Azure? For what I do, that might be appealing -- I could rent a high-performance server for a few hours every few months when I get a trading idea to research -- and not have to buy and maintain (and cool) a high performance computer or server.

admin - 26-11-2017 at 07:29 PM

Quote: Originally posted by emsjoflo

Will GSB run on a virtual server like Amazon AWS or Microsoft Azure? For what I do, that might be appealing -- I could rent a high-performance server for a few hours every few months when I get a trading idea to research -- and not have to buy and maintain (and cool) a high performance computer or server.

It wont run on a VM and this has all sorts of licensing issues.
As a rule high performance VM is a oxymoron. I know someone who sells VM's. He has about 200 users per physical box. Has lots of ram though.
Much better bank for buck is oplink
Every month they have specials, and a 30 to 50% discount code.
I think they have had 96gb of ram machine for <$100 a month.
This months specials had too low ram but from $37 a month for a dedicated machine is a steal.

cyrus68 - 26-11-2017 at 11:44 PM

@Gregorian

Thanks for your advice. I will get a 2560x1080 IPS panel. Games and movies are best done on my 4K TV.

cdbrown84 - 4-2-2018 at 01:26 PM

I have Run a few programs on my 4k screen, For some including GSB if you right click->properties->compatibility->Override high DPI scaling behavior scaling performed by "System (enhanced)" it seemed to fix the issue

Quote: Originally posted by Gregorian

Quote: Originally posted by cyrus68

I tried running GSB in 4K, but the fonts were too small to be usable. It's low priority IMHO, but it would be nice if one day GSB could support 4K.

Gregorian - 4-2-2018 at 07:48 PM

cdbrown84:

Thank you! That pretty much solved most of the 4K display annoyances, including the window maximizing properly on startup.

admin - 4-2-2018 at 08:57 PM

With the wisdom of hind site, I would de-lid the i9.
I think its fairly low risk with the best tools.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/der8auer-delid-die-mate-x-hs-...
The i9 overclocked is a prick to cool. Poor and cheap internal thermal paste.
4.1 ghz on the i9 7920, i ran run 82c with a 3 fan radiator, but running fans on both sides. (6 fans total)
I think I could get 4.4 out of it, but heat is an issue and any power consumption as high as 400 watts is just too hard to cool
The best fans for cfm vs noise in order of how good they are and price are
phanteks fl120xp premium pwm 120 mm $22 aud
cryorig QF120 BALANCE series pwm fan $15
silverstone fn121 -p-wl 120m mm (3 wire non pwm) fan
prices from pccasegear.com

later note https://www.cnet.com/products/scythe-ultra-kaze-dfs123812l-1...
and very high power
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Scythe-120mm-Ultra-Kaze-3...
These two fans a much thicker then normal fans. 1.5 inch

cyrus68 - 7-2-2018 at 01:55 AM

Yes, the evidence is that overclocking the i9 leads to a significant rise in power/heat issues. I have an i9 7900 but have yet to overclock it. But deliding isn't for the fainthearted. My first step would be to check the airflow and fan configurations. I suspect you have done that. My own setup is as follows:
fractal design define R5
a corsair H115i in front, in pull mode
stock 120 mm case fans on top and behind, in push mode
all the hdd cages removed to maximise airflow. there is no hdd in the case.
If heat issues arise, then adding/changing fans would be the first option. fractal design venturi fans are worth consideration too.

As for the monitor, I ended up buying the LG 34UC98 as a centre monitor. This is a 34 inch IPS panel. it is 3440x1440, and therefore not 4k. GSB and everything else looks great. small fonts are easy to read and there is no need to change font sizes. Also it allows me to use 2 computers with the same mouse/keyboard.

cyrus68 - 26-2-2018 at 09:11 AM

if you have an intel chip and haven't repaired its security vulnerability, you may want to download
and run their detection tool

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000...

this is the tool, and is rather obscure on their page

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/27150?v=t

boothy - 31-5-2018 at 02:00 AM

Hi,

I'm pricing up some options for a new computer to run GSB, would love to get peoples thoughts on how this system would run, I'm trying to get best bang for buck as don't want to spend a fortune just yet.

Intel i7 8700k six core 3.7Ghz CPU
Corsair 32gb (2x16gb) Ram with two spare slots to go up to 64gb if needed
500gb SSD
850W power supply
Corsair Hrdo series H100 liquid cooler
with monitor, keyboard, mouse etc.

$2414

would this run GSB sufficiantly?

Thanks!

Clint.

admin - 31-5-2018 at 05:29 AM

Quote: Originally posted by boothy

Hi,

I'm pricing up some options for a new computer to run GSB, would love to get peoples thoughts on how this system would run, I'm trying to get best bang for buck as don't want to spend a fortune just yet.

Intel i7 8700k six core 3.7Ghz CPU
Corsair 32gb (2x16gb) Ram with two spare slots to go up to 64gb if needed
500gb SSD
850W power supply
Corsair Hrdo series H100 liquid cooler
with monitor, keyboard, mouse etc.
This is my machine of choice, in a data center $60 a month.
power draw is just under 400 watts and it will be extremly noisy.
You could run maybe 16 gsb cloud workers to get the cpu just under 100%

$2414

would this run GSB sufficiantly?

Thanks!

Clint.

This is my machine of choice. No ssd or win10 was included.
You can run about 16 GSB workers on it.
Power consumption just under 400 watts. Very noisy. In Texas data center for $60 a month.
How much ram you need depends on
time frame of bars, amount of data2, years of data and how many workers.
1 worker per physical core is a rough guide.
Also depends on how many wf you do. I did 600 wf of systems last week over about 5 servers.

boothy - 31-5-2018 at 09:47 PM

So do you buy a server from those guys and get it sent to a colocation data center? How do you set it up?
I presume I need something like this to run tradestation on for automatic trading?
Sorry I've never had anything to do with servers and data centers before.

admin - 31-5-2018 at 10:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by boothy

So do you buy a server from those guys and get it sent to a collocation data center? How do you set it up?
I presume I need something like this to run tradestation on for automatic trading?
Sorry I've never had anything to do with servers and data centers before.

You buy a win 10 pro serial number and get the unit shipped to data center.
ebay???
Data center has a small charge for installing windows and ipmi.
ipmi means you have remote control of the machine down to bios level
via a web interface.
As your in AU, i have a used i7 5930 with 64 gb of ram I could sell.
This machine is way over kill for automatic trading, though it can be done of course.
For trading I prefer new york / Chicago vs Texas. Its lower latency and data center costs a bit more.
Texas charges are less, but they have 4%?? sales tax if its sold to Texas location

admin - 24-7-2018 at 06:33 PM

If your going to buy a dedicated GSB machine, this is what I recommend
as far as bang for buck. Its as fast as my over clocked I9, at a fraction of the price.
It needs win 10 pro, which you can buy a legit license key on ebay
The second hdd is optional (used for backups etc) and your primary disk, you could use a samsung 512 k ssd (not m2 interface)
or they supply 400 gb for $208.
A 3gb sata hdd is $88 (Used for backups etc)
Ram you can vary from 128 to 256, but I would prefer 192 or more.
Make sure you order the mounting rails from the server store. Much cheaper than getting from Oplink
Host at oplink.net Texas for $60 a month.
Note there is 8.25% sales tax on top of the server price if delivered to Texas.
Oplink charge a small fee to install the o/s. $50 approx. If you tell them also to configure IPMI, This gives you bios level and power control of your machine. You need an extra IP address for this which will cost $15 a month. (optional)
If your machine is for trading, I would choose a data center near your exchange. (steadfast.net) Cost is higher. Approx $90 a month from memory.
Good to backup the entire operating system with macrum reflect (free)
I used to use acronis true image by macrum is just as good, or better and free. A GSB user recommend it.

Setup for oplink below
To order an Oplink.net Server Colocation in Houston, Texas the first thing that needs to be done is place an order on our website:
Here is the direct URL to the order page: https://my.oplink.net/cart.php?a=add&pid=122

*If you want IPMI enabled you need a block of 5 STATIC IPS. The base price only includes 1 IP.
You must select "Static IPs /29 - 5 Usable - $15.00 USD Monthly" from the addons on the order form.

After that we will verify and confirm the order and send directions for shipping. Its best to wait for the "ORDER ACCECPTED" email before you order/ship the server to us.
They can ship the servers after the order is placed to:
Oplink.net/YOURNAME
411 N Sam Houston Pkwy E
Suite 220
Houston, TX 77060

A tracking# should be emailed to sales@oplink.net once you get one.
Inside this email you can also include the windows10 pro license KEY.

Prices:
The 1U colo is $60/month and includes
100M port with unlimited data per month
2 AMPS of 120V Power (extra power is +30/month for every 0.5 Amps)
1 Static IP.

Custom Setup Charges: $50 to install OS + Setup IPMI if you added the IPs.

**SPECIAL COUPON: "COLO50" Get 50% off for LIFE off any 1U or 2U Colo Plan** (Brings the price down to $60)

admin - 25-7-2018 at 04:33 PM

the above post has been refined and corrected to add hdd prices, (not the samsung), fixed sales tax and add comments about backup up the operating system.

coccigelus - 29-7-2018 at 04:21 AM

very interesting thread. Currently savvis the current data provider of Tradestation host their server at Equinix NY4 beside the main Tradestation server. I did extensive research in the past about latency and I came across with a solution that let me reach TS server with 1 sub m/s through an unmanaged dedicated server. The drawback of my solution however is that I have little control on the hardware I wish to have and not less important is a very expensive solution. Peter's solution to colo is a very powerful idea. Steadfast is a top host service provider with a data Center at Cermack in Chicago which is where IB server are. But since We use TS even if we trade through IB, be located to NJ or Chicago make little difference and Steadfast is very expensive, way higher than 90$/months for 1u. When we use TS choose a location between Chicago or NJ make little if not at all differnce but NJ is way cheaper than Cermack at Chicago.

Reading this thread I got an idea which I am not sure if Peter would be interested. I would like to create a group of ten traders and buy a 1/4 Shared Rack (10u). The colocation for such configuration cost 400$ per month and the location is Secaucus Datacenter NY4 (Equinix). The hoster provider is a well known hosting provider with super rating among the industries which I will provide to Peter if interested. The idea is to buy between 2/3 configuration of servers we think are good for our personal needs, give the funds to Peter and then buy the block of servers needed. Then pay in advance 6 months for colo to Peter which mean 240$. Then in order to avoid newbies and later headaches for Peter state clear that If we do not want to continue to host the server after the 6 months the server will be lost and that server will be available for a new user to be rent. In that way We will have an initial cost of the server with exactly the hardware needed, a cost of only 40$/month for hosting, the best location possible which is the same datacenter of TS and finally a true dedicated server.

admin - 29-7-2018 at 04:06 PM

Quote: Originally posted by coccigelus

very interesting thread. Currently savvis the current data provider of Tradestation host their server at Equinix NY4 beside the main Tradestation server. I did extensive research in the past about latency and I came across with a solution that let me reach TS server with 1 sub m/s through an unmanaged dedicated server. The drawback of my solution however is that I have little control on the hardware I wish to have and not less important is a very expensive solution. Peter's solution to colo is a very powerful idea. Steadfast is a top host service provider with a data Center at Cermack in Chicago which is where IB server are. But since We use TS even if we trade through IB, be located to NJ or Chicago make little difference and Steadfast is very expensive, way higher than 90$/months for 1u. When we use TS choose a location between Chicago or NJ make little if not at all differnce but NJ is way cheaper than Cermack at Chicago.

Reading this thread I got an idea which I am not sure if Peter would be interested. I would like to create a group of ten traders and buy a 1/4 Shared Rack (10u). The colocation for such configuration cost 400$ per month and the location is Secaucus Datacenter NY4 (Equinix). The hoster provider is a well known hosting provider with super rating among the industries which I will provide to Peter if interested. The idea is to buy between 2/3 configuration of servers we think are good for our personal needs, give the funds to Peter and then buy the block of servers needed. Then pay in advance 6 months for colo to Peter which mean 240$. Then in order to avoid newbies and later headaches for Peter state clear that If we do not want to continue to host the server after the 6 months the server will be lost and that server will be available for a new user to be rent. In that way We will have an initial cost of the server with exactly the hardware needed, a cost of only 40$/month for hosting, the best location possible which is the same datacenter of TS and finally a true dedicated server.

There is merit to you idea. However I dont think its going to fly (yet) Most of the GSB users are buying servers for GSB, not execution. Hence Texas is fine as we dont care on latency.
A rack full of GSB dual xeons is going to blow out power consumption wise.
Im paying $89 a month at steadfast. i will test the ping to TS. What ip did you use?
I am open to looking into the idea for my own trading, but last time I checked I thought I was 1ms away from TS at steadfast.
The big picture is IBLINK on my steadfast server is going to handle increasing amount of GSB traders execution. Its cost & time effect for small to medium accounts. No data fees, no monitoring, no hardware costs. Just $14 r/t

coccigelus - 30-7-2018 at 05:37 AM

Just for fun I just did a quick test with Steadfast/ my provider to IB/ Ts last node pingable, here the results:

Stead -) IB:

PING 208.245.107.3 (208.245.107.3) from 69.162.170.5 : 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 208.245.107.3: icmp_seq=1 ttl=248 time=2.77 ms
64 bytes from 208.245.107.3: icmp_seq=2 ttl=248 time=2.85 ms
64 bytes from 208.245.107.3: icmp_seq=3 ttl=248 time=2.89 ms
64 bytes from 208.245.107.3: icmp_seq=4 ttl=248 time=2.81 ms
64 bytes from 208.245.107.3: icmp_seq=5 ttl=248 time=2.78 ms
64 bytes from 208.245.107.3: icmp_seq=6 ttl=248 time=2.69 ms
64 bytes from 208.245.107.3: icmp_seq=7 ttl=248 time=2.68 ms
64 bytes from 208.245.107.3: icmp_seq=8 ttl=248 time=2.76 ms
64 bytes from 208.245.107.3: icmp_seq=9 ttl=248 time=2.71 ms
64 bytes from 208.245.107.3: icmp_seq=10 ttl=248 time=2.69 ms

Stead -) TS:

PING 4.35.20.209 (4.35.20.209) from 69.162.170.5 : 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=1 ttl=62 time=1.45 ms
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=2 ttl=62 time=1.05 ms
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=3 ttl=62 time=1.08 ms
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=4 ttl=62 time=1.05 ms
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=5 ttl=62 time=1.13 ms
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=6 ttl=62 time=1.07 ms
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=7 ttl=62 time=1.07 ms
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=8 ttl=62 time=1.04 ms
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=9 ttl=62 time=1.08 ms
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=10 ttl=62 time=1.06 ms

--- 4.35.20.209 ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9013ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1.048/1.112/1.457/0.123 ms

X -) IB

PING 4.35.20.209 (4.35.20.209) from 69.162.170.5 : 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=1 ttl=62 time=1.45 ms
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=2 ttl=62 time=1.05 ms
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=3 ttl=62 time=1.08 ms
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=4 ttl=62 time=1.05 ms
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=5 ttl=62 time=1.13 ms
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=6 ttl=62 time=1.07 ms
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=7 ttl=62 time=1.07 ms
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=8 ttl=62 time=1.04 ms
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=9 ttl=62 time=1.08 ms
64 bytes from 4.35.20.209: icmp_seq=10 ttl=62 time=1.06 ms

--- 4.35.20.209 ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9013ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1.048/1.112/1.457/0.123 ms

X -) Ts

PING 64.125.27.197 (64.125.27.197) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 64.125.27.197: icmp_seq=1 ttl=59 time=1.23 ms
64 bytes from 64.125.27.197: icmp_seq=2 ttl=59 time=1.01 ms
64 bytes from 64.125.27.197: icmp_seq=3 ttl=59 time=1.51 ms
64 bytes from 64.125.27.197: icmp_seq=4 ttl=59 time=1.02 ms
64 bytes from 64.125.27.197: icmp_seq=5 ttl=59 time=0.983 ms

--- 64.125.27.197 ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4005ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.983/1.152/1.513/0.204 ms

Imho both host provider are excellent. My point is that unless You know karl at Steadfast , Steadfast is ~ two times more expensive. I have used them in the past although not directly.

I am personally interested mainly to a decent server for executions only but If I am going to buy a server I would pick up one that let me use it for designing/testing as well. My biggest problem with a server for testing/developing located in the US is the massive lag due my location which is Asia which is quite unpleasant and slow to handle.

I am executing as well at IB due the advantages of their brokerage and universal account. Out of curiosity, can You handle via IBlink adaptive orders?
If You are going to get a quarter/full rack and You have few empty available units available just let me know.

admin - 31-7-2018 at 12:40 AM

Its great you have done ping tests etc and chosen a data center well.
For me, I'm paying $89 at steadfast for whats $99 in your post, so I dont see the cost as an issue. Better value to get a rack like you say, but $89 a month is a tiny part of my costs and not worth the effort to move a machine to another data center.
I normally last 3 years in a data center before Ive had enough of them. I have used steadfast for just under 7 years now. That says a lot.

admin - 31-7-2018 at 01:16 AM

The post above on servers from theserverstore.com and datacenter Oplink has been updated with more details.
posted on 25-7-2018 at 12:33 AM

processor/hardware

waldocktrades - 4-9-2018 at 09:19 AM

Has anyone tried the 2nd generation Threadrippers?
Currently debating between a Xeon 12 core @ 2.5ghz.
Thanks.

admin - 4-9-2018 at 04:20 PM

I bought AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X & Gigabyte GA X399 AORUS MOTHERBOARD
A disaster. Much slower than intel. Sold it on ebay. The second hand dual xeon server is best ban for buck, followed by the I9 intel

edgetrader - 5-9-2018 at 06:17 AM

The new Intel i9-9900K should come out this month, 16 threads for about 560 euros. Will have a soldered thermal interface material by default so no need to delid. First overclocking results are 5.5GHz on all 8 cores. I guess 5GHz easy with air cooling and low voltage. Max memory is 64GB.

waldocktrades - 5-9-2018 at 07:34 AM

Thanks for the input. I just had a system built and it took me two days to decide it wasn't nearly enough.
My assistant is going to get one fast hand me down...while I run workers on it.

Bruce - 14-9-2018 at 01:53 AM

New hardware recommendation,

What would provide the most kick for your dollar when it comes to CPU recommendation and RAM requirements? I'm going to get a new dedicated dev server as I just upgraded my trade server. I've seen the previous discussions however prices move and newer CPUs are released which creates value opportunities with the current CPUs. I appreciate the feedback. Thx.

admin - 14-9-2018 at 02:34 AM

Bank for buck, nothing is better than the dual xeon super micro from the server store.
The ram price is spectacular

cyrus68 - 14-9-2018 at 02:53 AM

If you are using multiple datasets in GSB, you will run out of RAM faster than out of CPU capacity. My dual-socket Xeon, with 128 GB can handle it, and more memory can be added, Moreover, it uses cheaper DDR3 RAM.

My i9, with 64 GB is maxed out and can only be upgraded to 128. It uses expensive DDR4 RAM. I agree with Peter that the Xeons are a better bet.

admin - 14-9-2018 at 02:56 AM

Quote: Originally posted by cyrus68

If you are using multiple datasets in GSB, you will run out of RAM faster than out of CPU capacity. My dual-socket Xeon, with 128 GB can handle it, and more memory can be added, Moreover, it uses cheaper DDR3 RAM.

My i9, with 64 GB is maxed out and can only be upgraded to 128. It uses expensive DDR4 RAM. I agree with Peter that the Xeons are a better bet.

The xeon is more the better option not because its a xeon, but because it has ddr3 ram (cheaper) I have a ddr4 xeon and the cost of ram upgrade is horrific.
All 4 slots are full, so its got 64 gb only

cyrus68 - 14-9-2018 at 03:05 AM

The cost of adding another 64 GB to my i9 is about $700.

admin - 19-9-2018 at 02:22 AM

I'm likely to get another dual xeon server with 256 gb of ram. It will be for hire for $10 per 24 hours. Gives you a good feel if you want to invest in some hardware yourself. Please email if this is of interest.

curt999 - 18-10-2018 at 06:43 PM

I just got a quad xeon poweredge r820 going to see how this fares with gsb..can get these barebones for about $450 with prcoessors no ram..192gb ram is $300-350 for pc38500 ddr3..this has 32 cores with the e5-4620's x 4..need to load win10 workstation tho to get all processors seen

cluster HPC and GSB

curt999 - 16-11-2018 at 12:28 PM

im experitmenting with running GSB on a blade server cluster c7000 with 512 cores will post my results here after i get it setup..in general gsb should also run on a multipurpose hpc cluster if setup correctly with individual servers using a network switch..the scalability for workers would be huge esp if running some massive hardware like 4 c7000 blade server enclosures clustered together to offer over 2000 cores of processing power

admin - 16-11-2018 at 02:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by curt999

im experitmenting with running GSB on a blade server cluster c7000 with 512 cores will post my results here after i get it setup..in general gsb should also run on a multipurpose hpc cluster if setup correctly with individual servers using a network switch..the scalability for workers would be huge esp if running some massive hardware like 4 c7000 blade server enclosures clustered together to offer over 2000 cores of processing power

Im fascinated how well this is going to work. Keep us informed.

avatartrader - 11-12-2018 at 11:38 PM

I wanted to see if I could get some feedback or advice from those of you who have been testing GSB across different hardware platforms:

Currently, I am running my workers on a pair of dual-Xeon X5550 quad core servers. Admittedly, these are obviously a bit dated, but I happened to have them on hand and so I figured that I would at least get started with them. So far, even with running a total of 20 workers across both of them, I am only able to average about 5000-6000 systems/second, with full CPU utilization and about 50% memory utilization.

For my purposes, that's simply not going to do, so I was looking at getting some new hardware and on serversupply.com, I found quad 8-core E5-4650 servers for a very reasonable price (using the older DDR-3, so the RAM is also reasonable).

Does anyone have any experience on what type of performance I could expect to obtain with that generation of hardware and number of cores? Or does someone have a lead on a better configuration at potentially a better price?

As much as I would love to get my hands on the type of hardware that curt999 is using, I'll need to be a bit more modest for now... :fake sniffle:

Also, just out of curiosity, what is the pricing model of GSB cloud? I know that licenses come with 1 cloud worker, but I don't see a way to subscribe to more.

Thanks!

admin - 11-12-2018 at 11:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by avatartrader

I wanted to see if I could get some feedback or advice from those of you who have been testing GSB across different hardware platforms:

Currently, I am running my workers on a pair of dual-Xeon X5550 quad core servers. Admittedly, these are obviously a bit dated, but I happened to have them on hand and so I figured that I would at least get started with them. So far, even with running a total of 20 workers across both of them, I am only able to average about 5000-6000 systems/second, with full CPU utilization and about 50% memory utilization.

For my purposes, that's simply not going to do, so I was looking at getting some new hardware and on serversupply.com, I found quad 8-core E5-4650 servers for a very reasonable price (using the older DDR-3, so the RAM is also reasonable).

Does anyone have any experience on what type of performance I could expect to obtain with that generation of hardware and number of cores? Or does someone have a lead on a better configuration at potentially a better price?

As much as I would love to get my hands on the type of hardware that curt999 is using, I'll need to be a bit more modest for now... :fake sniffle:

Also, just out of curiosity, what is the pricing model of GSB cloud? I know that licenses come with 1 cloud worker, but I don't see a way to subscribe to more.

Thanks!

A dual xeon2980 v2 - x 2690v2 is best bang for buck
refer here for rough guide of speed for dual cpu
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/multi_cpu.html
a dual 268x is about the speed of a i9
You dont get one cloud worker, you get a % of whatever is free.
Anyone can donate to the free cloud, and there is about 5 older servers and on occasions when im not using them- there are some of my dual xeons x 26xx
I havnt used the e5. Watch the power consumption . I wouldnt like the power bill of a quad xeon.
Im selling the user of a dual 2680 or 90 with 192 gb of ram for $10 a day. I could do a part or more that that subject to availability.

avatartrader - 13-12-2018 at 08:13 PM

Right now, I am doing a run across my 2 dual quad core Xeon X5550's, my new i9 notebook w/ 32GB of RAM, and I am connected to a cloud worker on a Xeon E5-2690 and the E5-2690 v2 is killing them all.

What is interesting is that on the Passmark benchmarks, a dual CPU Xeon E5-2680 v2 is roughly the same as the quad CPU Xeon E5-4650 I was looking at.

As I was writing this, a worker on an E5-2620 connected and is only doing about 500/min.

So, you're right, for the money, Xeon E5-2690 v2 seems to be the best choice.

admin - 13-12-2018 at 08:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by avatartrader

Right now, I am doing a run across my 2 dual quad core Xeon X5550's, my new i9 notebook w/ 32GB of RAM, and I am connected to a cloud worker on a Xeon E5-2690 and the E5-2690 v2 is killing them all.

What is interesting is that on the Passmark benchmarks, a dual CPU Xeon E5-2680 v2 is roughly the same as the quad CPU Xeon E5-4650 I was looking at.

As I was writing this, a worker on an E5-2620 connected and is only doing about 500/min.

So, you're right, for the money, Xeon E5-2690 v2 seems to be the best choice.

You need to be careful here to compare apples with apples
If thats my 2690 (likely) then its running 1 to 3 workers only. (in the last few hours)
If you had say 8 workers, the collective speed will increase, but individual speed will drop.
Due to random seed in gsb, the identical machine with identical test could also vary a mild amount

admin - 14-12-2018 at 01:36 AM

Quote: Originally posted by avatartrader

e2680 is now fully loaded close to 100% cpu.
you can check your speed now.
SOmeone is doing 27,28,29 min bars. Not the best compared to 29 30 31 min bars. (12,13,14 bars in day) compared to 14,14,14 bars in a day

avatartrader - 14-12-2018 at 11:56 AM

I had paused and was doing a WF at that time, but just before I had paused my run, I had a couple of the E5-2690 workers drop down to an average of about 600-700/min, so this may have been about that time, but I'm not sure how many workers were running in relation to cores.

It would be good to see what the average performance/min is with the optimal number of workers/core for a dual proc Xeon E5-2690.

I was doing 29,30,31 min bars, and at my peak last night I had 4 workers on the E5. For most of the time, they were doing between 1100 and 1400/min each.

If they could handle about 600/min per worker and 1 worker per core, then I would estimate that they should be able to put out 12000/min.

When I fully load my X5550, I get about 300/min/worker on average, so I would hope that the E5 can do at least double that, if not more - not to mention handle more workers thanks to the additional cores (even with a < 1:1 ratio). The benchmark for the dual E5-2690 v2 vs dual X5550 is close to 3x.

admin - 14-12-2018 at 02:45 PM

Quote: Originally posted by avatartrader

I had paused and was doing a WF at that time, but just before I had paused my run, I had a couple of the E5-2690 workers drop down to an average of about 600-700/min, so this may have been about that time, but I'm not sure how many workers were running in relation to cores.

It would be good to see what the average performance/min is with the optimal number of workers/core for a dual proc Xeon E5-2690.

I was doing 29,30,31 min bars, and at my peak last night I had 4 workers on the E5. For most of the time, they were doing between 1100 and 1400/min each.

If they could handle about 600/min per worker and 1 worker per core, then I would estimate that they should be able to put out 12000/min.

When I fully load my X5550, I get about 300/min/worker on average, so I would hope that the E5 can do at least double that, if not more - not to mention handle more workers thanks to the additional cores (even with a < 1:1 ratio). The benchmark for the dual E5-2690 v2 vs dual X5550 is close to 3x.

The gsbram runs the optimal number automatically. It maxes out till a cpu or ram limit is hit. 8 is typical.
cpubenchmark.net is a good guide. (apart from amd. Amd is woeful on GSB.) A dual cpu gives about 1.5 times the speed of a single. Unless you have full control of the e5, you cant tell how much % of the machine you are running on. GSB purchasers have GSB admin mode, which tells you the entire machine collective speed. However the limitation is if other workers that arent yours are on the machine, you cant see that.

engtraderfx - 16-12-2018 at 08:34 PM

For interest, I found a few 2nd hand workstations, ex oil & Gas projects CAD machines around $1.2 to 1.5K? In perth, not sure if will post yet.

HP Z820 WorkStation - Dual Xeon 2.6 / Quadro 5000/ 256GB ECC RAM $1.5K
Bit of overkill with ram?
HP Z800 CAD WORKSTATION DUAL XEON 24 THREADS 96GB QUADRO 5000 $1.2K, multiple available.

Not many sites advertise specifically for trading computers, would computer's spec's for CAD be suitable, I notice my work also uses Z820 type machines for heavy duty work.

admin - 16-12-2018 at 08:37 PM

Quote: Originally posted by engtraderfx

For interest, I found a few 2nd hand workstations, ex oil & Gas projects CAD machines around $1.2 to 1.5K? In perth, not sure if will post yet.

HP Z820 WorkStation - Dual Xeon 2.6 / Quadro 5000/ 256GB ECC RAM $1.5K
Bit of overkill with ram?
HP Z800 CAD WORKSTATION DUAL XEON 24 THREADS 96GB QUADRO 5000 $1.2K, multiple available.

Not many sites advertise specifically for trading computers, would computer's spec's for CAD be suitable, I notice my work also uses Z820 type machines for heavy duty work.

compare to theserverstore.com e2690v2
Im now running 384 gb on 2 of my servers. You can tweak the cache to be 10% or so faster at the expense of more ram.
256 gb is the ideal I think.
whats the exact cpu type?
I prefer USA server, as the noise and power consumption would be a pain to have in my office

engtraderfx - 16-12-2018 at 09:31 PM

gleaned from posting. Yes would be interesting to run, I not tech savvy yet on remote servers, would prefer a good machine at home, I just retired my last pc which lasted 8 yrs! Certainly cheaper than a new machine. Next options is something new but couldn't afford this level.

HP Z820 WorkStation - Dual Xeon 2.6 / Quadro 5000/ 256GB ECC RAM $1.5K

[2x Xeon Intel E5-2670 2.60Ghz 20M Cache 8-Core4 , 256GB ECC DDR3 RAM]

HP Z800 CAD WORKSTATION DUAL XEON 24 THREADS 96GB QUADRO 5000 $1.2K, multiple available.

[HP Z800 DUAL XEON X5675 (2) 24 threads, 3.06 ghz, 96gb ram, 500 gb hdd, 3 more hdd slots, raid controller, dvd/rw, nvidia quadro 5000 2.5gb ram, 34 frames per sec, firewire, dual gigabit lan ports, dual display out ports, hd sound, FULL MS OFFICE 2007 Enterprise FULLY INSTALLED.WINDOWS 10 PRO 64. ]

I found a supplier where I live doing trading computers (https://supertechcomputers.com.au/PC-for-CAD-Video-Photo-Mus...), but obviously much more $ for i7/i9 & offer only 64MB ram (is that motherboard limit or only $$ limit?), eg 8 Core Intel® Core™ i7-7820X X-series Processor (11M Cache, up to 4.30 GHz).

admin - 17-12-2018 at 02:18 AM

the i9 is as fast as the dual x2690 and twice the price as the ddr4 ram is so expensive. With the wisdom of hindsite, $ I put into i9 would have been better put into the super micro dual xeon. The mother board will have 4 or 8 slots max.
so if you get a i9, you get one with 16gb modules & 8 slots.

engtraderfx - 17-12-2018 at 06:47 AM

[compare to theserverstore.com e2690v2] thanks, I see, the e2670 is a little lower CPU score than 2690, but the ram above is significant which makes it very attractive, cost of upgrading other options is large adder (eg serverstore e2690 is higher with lower ram, e2670 options are cheaper but much less ram 24 to 96 gb). Just found an option to build it up.... https://www.theserverstore.com/hp-z820-workstation.html.

Still i haven't got a response from seller anyway, will keep this in mind.

engtraderfx - 17-12-2018 at 07:20 PM

More options from server store with 128 ram, but still need to need to ship & covert to aud$.

https://www.amazon.com/Z820-Workstation-E5-2670-Professional...

admin - 17-12-2018 at 07:45 PM

Quote: Originally posted by engtraderfx

More options from server store with 128 ram, but still need to need to ship & covert to aud$.

https://www.amazon.com/Z820-Workstation-E5-2670-Professional...

not sure what cpu your after . 2.6 GHz Intel Pentium II Xeon ?
you need to check on cpubenchmark.net
better to go to texas data center us$60 a month. The power bill likely cost you that amount.
your also up for gst etc if over $1000

adcardoso01 - 31-12-2018 at 06:08 PM

Peter,

I'm trying to figure out what will be the ideal setup for me and I based on the manual, I think I'll have a Manager on my personal PC (i7 with 16GB ram) and run workers on a Dual Xeon e2690v2 server with 256GB ram that I plan to place on my data center.

Having said that, my questions are:

1) Do I have to buy several licenses to run the workers on the e2690v2 server since the manager will be at my PC? Both are in the same network.

2) If the above is YES, then if I have both the Manager and the Workers running on the e2690v2 server and access them though remote desktop, then 1 license of GSB is enough?

3) Finally, how many workers do you estimate I can run on a Dual Xeon e2690v2 with 256GB ram?

Thx and happy new year!

admin - 31-12-2018 at 06:28 PM

Quote: Originally posted by adcardoso01

Peter,

I'm trying to figure out what will be the ideal setup for me and I based on the manual, I think I'll have a Manager on my personal PC (i7 with 16GB ram) and run workers on a Dual Xeon e2690v2 server with 256GB ram that I plan to place on my data center.

Having said that, my questions are:

1) Do I have to buy several licenses to run the workers on the e2690v2 server since the manager will be at my PC? Both are in the same network.

2) If the above is YES, then if I have both the Manager and the Workers running on the e2690v2 server and access them though remote desktop, then 1 license of GSB is enough?

3) Finally, how many workers do you estimate I can run on a Dual Xeon e2690v2 with 256GB ram?

Thx and happy new year!

You need to buy one license per physical machine. Price is heavily discounted to $400, or $300 with initial purchase of GSB. Else you can move your one license to the xeon, when its removed from the i7
One license is fine to use via RDP if you terminate the i7 license.
GSB ram2 (to be released soon ) will auto manage the number of workers.
At this instant all I am doing is WF on 29,30,31 min bars, and 12 workers are run. CPU will be a bit different for building systems which is what we spend most our time doing.

adcardoso01 - 1-1-2019 at 10:51 AM

Manager in the i7 vs Manager via RDP on the server:

> Having the Manager on the i7: Is there any advantage other than faster GUI and convenience?

> As far as performance goes, the result would be the same running the manager on the i7 or on via RDP?

Thx!

admin - 1-1-2019 at 03:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by adcardoso01

Manager in the i7 vs Manager via RDP on the server:

> Having the Manager on the i7: Is there any advantage other than faster GUI and convenience?

> As far as performance goes, the result would be the same running the manager on the i7 or on via RDP?

Thx!

I like working from rdp, but thats a preference. I feel best to have the cpu power from both computers. If your building say 80,000 systems at a time, or you want to leave managers open for some time (I do to verify settings and results of newer variations in tests) the i7 might run out of ram

adcardoso01 - 1-1-2019 at 06:17 PM

Got it! Thx a lot! I cannot thank enough for this amazing community! Kudos to you for building such an amazing group!

admin - 1-1-2019 at 11:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by adcardoso01

Got it! Thx a lot! I cannot thank enough for this amazing community! Kudos to you for building such an amazing group!

On be half of the GSB community, thank you for your comments.
Collectively we can do more than we do as individuals.

admin - 21-3-2019 at 07:54 PM

We are changing the recommend supplier for the default GSB machine
Better pricing and service than theserverstore.

Look at this for reference for speed
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/multi_cpu.html
I enclose some screen shots.
Note the speed will vary a fair bit on one identical test to another.
They dont have 2690v2 in stock, but do have 2680v2 (fine)

The contact is Tim Huynh
thuynh@unixsurplus.com

admin - 14-7-2019 at 10:44 PM

There is a new AMD out at brilliant price.
Anyone on GSB tried it?

Warning, my AMD threadripper was a disaster. 1/2 the speed of comparable I9 at similar price.
My suspicion is Microsoft c# is optimized for intel, not AMD

This thread might help/
https://www.ckode.dk/desktop-machines/optimizing-ryzen/

tmlong18 - 15-7-2019 at 01:03 AM

I wanna know the speed of AMD Ryzen 9 at GSB too.
These new gen AMD CPU is very impressed.

admin - 16-8-2019 at 07:35 PM

Looking at the new amd, you would think its much slower.
Less cores, and cache.

However it appears to me the architecture must be very different.
my amd ryzen 1950 was a disaster from a speed perspective. Someone else on ebay did well out of me.
It ran about 50% the speed of intel. Very bad with one gsb worker, and improving with lots of workers, but way behind the intel 7920 I replaced it with.
I suspect the single threaded speed was part of the issue.

Time to revisit AMD. Best benchmark before you buy one.

admin - 25-8-2019 at 11:34 PM

There was some intel program to make a specifc app gp faster. Anyone remember what its called. I re-installed my OS, so lost it.
Now we have bench marking program for GSB, I want to tell it helps or now

saycem - 25-8-2019 at 11:47 PM

I have an Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 app on my new machine if that's what your referring to...

admin - 26-8-2019 at 04:46 PM

Quote: Originally posted by saycem

I have an Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 app on my new machine if that's what your referring to...

Thanks for that.
I got mild improvements running 1 or 2 workers, where all cpu cores were at the same clock speed.
ie
1 worker would be 13.57 minutes vs 14.46 for identical test
2 workers would be 14.59 minutes vs 17.17 for identical test

running more workers gave zero difference between other tests

admin - 27-8-2019 at 07:52 PM

This helps you maximize your hardware, and possibly choose the best hardware

https://trademaid.info/gsbhelp/GSBBenchmark.html

Docs and product need a little refining. Comments welcome

admin - 12-9-2019 at 09:04 PM

there are now 32 gb ran modules, and price is coming down.
Anyone know if they work in intel i7 mother boards.
Manufactures details on older boards all very poor. I have concern that bios fixes to fix vulnerabilities may slow the pc's down.

Does GSB benefit from DDR4 ram? How accurate are the benchmarks?

emsjoflo - 19-10-2019 at 05:45 PM

I'm planning to get back to using GSB and thinking about upgrading to a faster server. I'm wondering if the passmark or Cinebench scores compare well to GSB performance. I know my dual X5670 with 96gb of DDR3 ram could significantly outdo my I7-6700 with 64gb of DDR4, I'm guessing that GSB took advantage of the extra cores/threads. I am moving and can't take my server with me. I'm trying to decide whether to ship my old server to a colo facility and pay the $80/m or to buy a newer server with more ram (or rent a dedicated server) I've been thinking that either way, it would be easier for me to have my server's local time match the Chicago exchange.

I can get a dual E5-2667 v2 256gb ram for about $1100 with passmark scores of 22686 and a Cinebench score of 2463 (16 cores at 3.2ghz). Or for $2500, I could get a E5-2697V3 256gb DDR4 with passmark 27424 and Cinebench of 3914.

Or I could keep my X5670 96gb with passmark 12082 and cinebench 1349.
I'm considering renting one of Peter's servers for a day to see how it compares to my old server.

Does anyone know if GSB's performance is closer to passmark or Cinebench (or some other benchmark)? Any advice for my situation?

admin - 20-10-2019 at 08:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by emsjoflo

I'm planning to get back to using GSB and thinking about upgrading to a faster server. I'm wondering if the passmark or Cinebench scores compare well to GSB performance. I know my dual X5670 with 96gb of DDR3 ram could significantly outdo my I7-6700 with 64gb of DDR4, I'm guessing that GSB took advantage of the extra cores/threads. I am moving and can't take my server with me. I'm trying to decide whether to ship my old server to a colo facility and pay the $80/m or to buy a newer server with more ram (or rent a dedicated server) I've been thinking that either way, it would be easier for me to have my server's local time match the Chicago exchange.

I can get a dual E5-2667 v2 256gb ram for about $1100 with passmark scores of 22686 and a Cinebench score of 2463 (16 cores at 3.2ghz). Or for $2500, I could get a E5-2697V3 256gb DDR4 with passmark 27424 and Cinebench of 3914.

Or I could keep my X5670 96gb with passmark 12082 and cinebench 1349.
I'm considering renting one of Peter's servers for a day to see how it compares to my old server.

Does anyone know if GSB's performance is closer to passmark or Cinebench (or some other benchmark)? Any advice for my situation?

There is a GSB benchmark program
https://trademaid.info/gsbhelp/GSBBenchmark.html

my 2699v3 is a lot slower than dual e5-2680v2.

coccigelus - 5-12-2019 at 10:42 PM

Hello Peter,

Did You buy the new ryzen as You have hinted at the other forum? I am considering for myself although I am worried for the applications I am using.

Regarding the issue You have had with Threadripper here an article that could explain what could have happened:

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/302650-how-to-bypass-m...

admin - 6-12-2019 at 12:56 AM

Quote: Originally posted by coccigelus

Hello Peter,

Did You buy the new ryzen as You have hinted at the other forum? I am considering for myself although I am worried for the applications I am using.

Regarding the issue You have had with Threadripper here an article that could explain what could have happened:

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/302650-how-to-bypass-m...

I got to try a new expensive amd, forgot the model but will find out. Speed is still woeful compare to intel. So avoid all amd cpu's for GSB sadly.
Not the fastest computer in the world, but best bang for buck still is e5-2680v2

Ive got to test quite a few machines now. Even quad cpus

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