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quad socket e7 8890 v4
go around 58k speed on this config 20instances wasn't maxed out could likely run 30 but was having some hardware issues
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Thats extremely impressive. I looked up the cost of the CPU's and see that is one expenisive but nice to own server. I will try the same test on my i9
@4400 mhz, but its tied up running GSB jobs this weekend.
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sorted out some driver issues on this server did another speed run..on 26 instances got upto 87k/min..tried 30 instances then I think my system
overheated heh maxed out at 95k..give people an idea of what client/server mode is capable of if youhave the hardware
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A bitcoin miner in Zimbabwe would very much like to get his hands on that quad-socket machine.
On another note, does anybody use a 4k monitor, running apps such as GSB, Tradestation, Matlab and the like? I have 3 monitors - 23 inch 1080p. I want
to replace the centre monitor with a 32 inch model.
My sense is that, unless the apps are optimised for 4k, they may actually look worse than under 1080p. This may not be simply a scaling issue.
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I7-6700 VS OLD SERVER
Yesterday I was running GSB on my HP ( 17-6700 with 16gb ram) and it crashed ( I think it ran out of ram) My computer only has two slots for ram
and officially only supports 16gb. supposedly the chipset will support 32gb. I'd have to buy two 16gb sticks. If it weren't $300, I'd probably
risk it. Anyway, was shopping on Ebay for Ram and all the cheap ram was for/from servers. Made me wonder if a used server might be an economical
machine to run GSB.
So I looked on Craigslist and bought an HP DL360 G7 with two Xeon X5670 cpus and 144gb of ram. Installed Windows 10, downloaded the latest beta
version of GSB and started it up. 6 workers about maxes out the CPUs but only uses 54gb of ram. It got as high as 6k/min but is presently running
at 5k/min. My i7 can't handle more than 2 workers without running out of ram (presently using 15.1GB and 2.5k/min And it really lags when I
click on the GUI -- probably doesn't like the 4k monitors I use)
The old server cost less than $300. Now I'm wondering what $1000 would buy on Ebay.
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Does not run on virtual machine
On a whim, I tried to run GSB on our company server but it refused -- saying that the program will not run on a virtual machine. Our server has
Windows 2012 with Hyper-V and 5 virtual machines. It is not a huge problem for me -- but I thought I'd pass it along. I'm very glad I did not spend
a lot of time setting up virtual machines on the used server I bought
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4K support
Quote: Originally posted by cyrus68  | On another note, does anybody use a 4k monitor, running apps such as GSB, Tradestation, Matlab and the like? I have 3 monitors - 23 inch 1080p. I want
to replace the centre monitor with a 32 inch model.
My sense is that, unless the apps are optimised for 4k, they may actually look worse than under 1080p. This may not be simply a scaling issue.
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I tried running GSB in 4K, but the fonts were too small to be usable. It's low priority IMHO, but it would be nice if one day GSB could support 4K.
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Old Server
Apparently adding a couple of GSB workers after the CPU is at 99% can add to the overall speed -- as long as there is enough ram. Task manager was
reporting 99% CPU usage on my dual xeon X5670 server with 6 workers running (about 6k/min) On a whim, I ran another 6 workers (for a total of 12)
and got it up to 9,447/min) It is using 35gb of ram and climbing. Last night I saw it get up to 65gb with 6 workers.
Now I just need some more processors to saturate the other 80gb of ram.....
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might not be worth it to get a quad socket unless you go into the e7/e5 area..for $1000 you could build a i7 with 128ram that combo should do
10k/min..the supermicro 8048-tr3f i got above because it still uses the old ddr3 ram which is alot cheaper then ddr4..setting up a quad socket on
windows 10 can be rather tricky also you cant just load pro it wont see all processors
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Will GSB run on a virtual server like Amazon AWS or Microsoft Azure? For what I do, that might be appealing -- I could rent a high-performance
server for a few hours every few months when I get a trading idea to research -- and not have to buy and maintain (and cool) a high performance
computer or server.
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| Quote: Originally posted by emsjoflo | | Will GSB run on a virtual server like Amazon AWS or Microsoft Azure? For what I do, that might be appealing -- I could rent a high-performance
server for a few hours every few months when I get a trading idea to research -- and not have to buy and maintain (and cool) a high performance
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It wont run on a VM and this has all sorts of licensing issues.
As a rule high performance VM is a oxymoron. I know someone who sells VM's. He has about 200 users per physical box. Has lots of ram though.
Much better bank for buck is oplink
Every month they have specials, and a 30 to 50% discount code.
I think they have had 96gb of ram machine for <$100 a month.
This months specials had too low ram but from $37 a month for a dedicated machine is a steal.
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@Gregorian
Thanks for your advice. I will get a 2560x1080 IPS panel. Games and movies are best done on my 4K TV.
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I have Run a few programs on my 4k screen, For some including GSB if you right click->properties->compatibility->Override high DPI scaling behavior
scaling performed by "System (enhanced)" it seemed to fix the issue
| Quote: Originally posted by Gregorian | | Quote: Originally posted by cyrus68 | On another note, does anybody use a 4k monitor, running apps such as GSB, Tradestation, Matlab and the like? I have 3 monitors - 23 inch 1080p. I want
to replace the centre monitor with a 32 inch model.
My sense is that, unless the apps are optimised for 4k, they may actually look worse than under 1080p. This may not be simply a scaling issue.
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I tried running GSB in 4K, but the fonts were too small to be usable. It's low priority IMHO, but it would be nice if one day GSB could support 4K.
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cdbrown84:
Thank you! That pretty much solved most of the 4K display annoyances, including the window maximizing properly on startup.
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With the wisdom of hind site, I would de-lid the i9.
I think its fairly low risk with the best tools.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/der8auer-delid-die-mate-x-hs-...
The i9 overclocked is a prick to cool. Poor and cheap internal thermal paste.
4.1 ghz on the i9 7920, i ran run 82c with a 3 fan radiator, but running fans on both sides. (6 fans total)
I think I could get 4.4 out of it, but heat is an issue and any power consumption as high as 400 watts is just too hard to cool
The best fans for cfm vs noise in order of how good they are and price are
phanteks fl120xp premium pwm 120 mm $22 aud
cryorig QF120 BALANCE series pwm fan $15
silverstone fn121 -p-wl 120m mm (3 wire non pwm) fan
prices from pccasegear.com
later note https://www.cnet.com/products/scythe-ultra-kaze-dfs123812l-1...
and very high power
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Scythe-120mm-Ultra-Kaze-3...
These two fans a much thicker then normal fans. 1.5 inch
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Yes, the evidence is that overclocking the i9 leads to a significant rise in power/heat issues. I have an i9 7900 but have yet to overclock it. But
deliding isn't for the fainthearted. My first step would be to check the airflow and fan configurations. I suspect you have done that. My own setup is
as follows:
fractal design define R5
a corsair H115i in front, in pull mode
stock 120 mm case fans on top and behind, in push mode
all the hdd cages removed to maximise airflow. there is no hdd in the case.
If heat issues arise, then adding/changing fans would be the first option. fractal design venturi fans are worth consideration too.
As for the monitor, I ended up buying the LG 34UC98 as a centre monitor. This is a 34 inch IPS panel. it is 3440x1440, and therefore not 4k. GSB and
everything else looks great. small fonts are easy to read and there is no need to change font sizes. Also it allows me to use 2 computers with the
same mouse/keyboard.
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if you have an intel chip and haven't repaired its security vulnerability, you may want to download
and run their detection tool
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000...
this is the tool, and is rather obscure on their page
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/27150?v=t
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Hi,
I'm pricing up some options for a new computer to run GSB, would love to get peoples thoughts on how this system would run, I'm trying to get best
bang for buck as don't want to spend a fortune just yet.
Intel i7 8700k six core 3.7Ghz CPU
Corsair 32gb (2x16gb) Ram with two spare slots to go up to 64gb if needed
500gb SSD
850W power supply
Corsair Hrdo series H100 liquid cooler
with monitor, keyboard, mouse etc.
$2414
would this run GSB sufficiantly?
Thanks!
Clint.
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| Quote: Originally posted by boothy | Hi,
I'm pricing up some options for a new computer to run GSB, would love to get peoples thoughts on how this system would run, I'm trying to get best
bang for buck as don't want to spend a fortune just yet.
Intel i7 8700k six core 3.7Ghz CPU
Corsair 32gb (2x16gb) Ram with two spare slots to go up to 64gb if needed
500gb SSD
850W power supply
Corsair Hrdo series H100 liquid cooler
with monitor, keyboard, mouse etc.
This is my machine of choice, in a data center $60 a month.
power draw is just under 400 watts and it will be extremly noisy.
You could run maybe 16 gsb cloud workers to get the cpu just under 100%
$2414
would this run GSB sufficiantly?
Thanks!
Clint.
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This is my machine of choice. No ssd or win10 was included.
You can run about 16 GSB workers on it.
Power consumption just under 400 watts. Very noisy. In Texas data center for $60 a month.
How much ram you need depends on
time frame of bars, amount of data2, years of data and how many workers.
1 worker per physical core is a rough guide.
Also depends on how many wf you do. I did 600 wf of systems last week over about 5 servers.
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So do you buy a server from those guys and get it sent to a colocation data center? How do you set it up?
I presume I need something like this to run tradestation on for automatic trading?
Sorry I've never had anything to do with servers and data centers before.
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| Quote: Originally posted by boothy | So do you buy a server from those guys and get it sent to a collocation data center? How do you set it up?
I presume I need something like this to run tradestation on for automatic trading?
Sorry I've never had anything to do with servers and data centers before. |
You buy a win 10 pro serial number and get the unit shipped to data center.
ebay???
Data center has a small charge for installing windows and ipmi.
ipmi means you have remote control of the machine down to bios level
via a web interface.
As your in AU, i have a used i7 5930 with 64 gb of ram I could sell.
This machine is way over kill for automatic trading, though it can be done of course.
For trading I prefer new york / Chicago vs Texas. Its lower latency and data center costs a bit more.
Texas charges are less, but they have 4%?? sales tax if its sold to Texas location
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If your going to buy a dedicated GSB machine, this is what I recommend
as far as bang for buck. Its as fast as my over clocked I9, at a fraction of the price.
It needs win 10 pro, which you can buy a legit license key on ebay
The second hdd is optional (used for backups etc) and your primary disk, you could use a samsung 512 k ssd (not m2 interface)
or they supply 400 gb for $208.
A 3gb sata hdd is $88 (Used for backups etc)
Ram you can vary from 128 to 256, but I would prefer 192 or more.
Make sure you order the mounting rails from the server store. Much cheaper than getting from Oplink
Host at oplink.net Texas for $60 a month.
Note there is 8.25% sales tax on top of the server price if delivered to Texas.
Oplink charge a small fee to install the o/s. $50 approx. If you tell them also to configure IPMI, This gives you bios level and power control of your
machine. You need an extra IP address for this which will cost $15 a month. (optional)
If your machine is for trading, I would choose a data center near your exchange. (steadfast.net) Cost is higher. Approx $90 a month from memory.
Good to backup the entire operating system with macrum reflect (free)
I used to use acronis true image by macrum is just as good, or better and free. A GSB user recommend it.
Setup for oplink below
To order an Oplink.net Server Colocation in Houston, Texas the first thing that needs to be done is place an order on our website:
Here is the direct URL to the order page: https://my.oplink.net/cart.php?a=add&pid=122
*If you want IPMI enabled you need a block of 5 STATIC IPS. The base price only includes 1 IP.
You must select "Static IPs /29 - 5 Usable - $15.00 USD Monthly" from the addons on the order form.
After that we will verify and confirm the order and send directions for shipping. Its best to wait for the "ORDER ACCECPTED" email before you
order/ship the server to us.
They can ship the servers after the order is placed to:
Oplink.net/YOURNAME
411 N Sam Houston Pkwy E
Suite 220
Houston, TX 77060
A tracking# should be emailed to sales@oplink.net once you get one.
Inside this email you can also include the windows10 pro license KEY.
Prices:
The 1U colo is $60/month and includes
100M port with unlimited data per month
2 AMPS of 120V Power (extra power is +30/month for every 0.5 Amps)
1 Static IP.
Custom Setup Charges: $50 to install OS + Setup IPMI if you added the IPs.
**SPECIAL COUPON: "COLO50" Get 50% off for LIFE off any 1U or 2U Colo Plan** (Brings the price down to $60)
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the above post has been refined and corrected to add hdd prices, (not the samsung), fixed sales tax and add comments about backup up the operating
system.
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very interesting thread. Currently savvis the current data provider of Tradestation host their server at Equinix NY4 beside the main Tradestation
server. I did extensive research in the past about latency and I came across with a solution that let me reach TS server with 1 sub m/s through an
unmanaged dedicated server. The drawback of my solution however is that I have little control on the hardware I wish to have and not less important is
a very expensive solution. Peter's solution to colo is a very powerful idea. Steadfast is a top host service provider with a data Center at Cermack in
Chicago which is where IB server are. But since We use TS even if we trade through IB, be located to NJ or Chicago make little difference and
Steadfast is very expensive, way higher than 90$/months for 1u. When we use TS choose a location between Chicago or NJ make little if not at all
differnce but NJ is way cheaper than Cermack at Chicago.
Reading this thread I got an idea which I am not sure if Peter would be interested. I would like to create a group of ten traders and buy a 1/4 Shared
Rack (10u). The colocation for such configuration cost 400$ per month and the location is Secaucus Datacenter NY4 (Equinix). The hoster provider is a
well known hosting provider with super rating among the industries which I will provide to Peter if interested. The idea is to buy between 2/3
configuration of servers we think are good for our personal needs, give the funds to Peter and then buy the block of servers needed. Then pay in
advance 6 months for colo to Peter which mean 240$. Then in order to avoid newbies and later headaches for Peter state clear that If we do not want
to continue to host the server after the 6 months the server will be lost and that server will be available for a new user to be rent. In that way We
will have an initial cost of the server with exactly the hardware needed, a cost of only 40$/month for hosting, the best location possible which is
the same datacenter of TS and finally a true dedicated server.
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